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Habitat, Deer & Deer Numbers

A rolling dialog of habitat, deer & Deer Numbers.

This thread is for those with issues with or support for the deer program, issues with the estimates of population or harvest - or support there of.

This thread is for all things deer and can serve as the source for other independent threads for issues needing separate and more dedicated discussion.

Is your position a short term gain - or a long term loss? Separate the issues.
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Re: Habitat, Deer & Deer Numbers

Pennsylvania GC White-tailed Deer page - main:


http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal...ity/deer/11949

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Re: Habitat, Deer & Deer Numbers

<span style="font-weight: bold">Ask The Deer Biologist - Ask a question. Check out answers to other questions.</span>

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal...=695219&mode=2


<span style="font-weight: bold">Guide to Finding Answers to Questions About Deer and Their Management</span>

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Re: Habitat, Deer & Deer Numbers

<span style="font-weight: bold">2009-18 White-Tailed Deer Management Plan</span>

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/ser...nal_version_pdf

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Re: Habitat, Deer & Deer Numbers

good idea there blue!
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Re: Habitat, Deer & Deer Numbers

So whats new???






In case anyone missed it....

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Re: Habitat, Deer & Deer Numbers

ok, in continuing one of those side discussions from another thread.....

if we're counting the number of trees in my yard and you think theres 17 and i say theres 24, we can simply go count them. unfortunatly, deer harvest numbers aren't so easy. and for the sake of discussion, lets say the pgc estimate is wrong. but unless the reason it is wrong is changed evey year, and it isn't, it shows a trend even if the exact number isn't accurate. would you agree with that?

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Reporting rate variability and precision of white-tailed deer harvest estimates in Pennsylvania

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal...ariability_pdf

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Re: Habitat, Deer & Deer Numbers

Yellodog, we don't need to count the deer or trees to speak of the point I made. I think you and probably everyone else understood what my point was.

You said;
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"i'd say you're right, not much has changed. still a vocal minority trying to convince the rest that theres a catastrophy going on right in front of us. but the facts are we harvest over 300,000 deer in this state every year. now if you're going to dispute that number, please give me the actual harvest number and your source. facts, not opinions."
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"Yd, the only minority among we hunters is that which support current deer numbers. That has been shown in scientific polls. Pgcs own in fact.

And I am not trying to convince you of a thing. I post my views just the same as you do.

I do dispute the harvest numbers, to a point and I do not need another estimate of my own to do it, when its clear the procedure is flawed. That is all I need to know. And that is a fact. Not an opinion. My inability to give an exact harvest figure has no bearing on whether pgcs number is accurate or not.

As an example, if you tell me 4+4= the number of trees in your yard, and I so, oh, you have 8 in the yard, and you tell me no there are 17! I know something is amiss in that math, and I do not have to know how many trees are in your yard to recognize that fact."

You inferred the statement that the numbers were inaccurate could not be true if I myself could not give a better total. And my point with the trees was simply showing we did not need to know the total to be able to tell if the process itself could add up to an accurate total. Thats it.


This harvest reporting is a topic that has probably been hashed and rehashed too many times as it is. I think that the other thread about the harvest reporting rates not accurate explains things pretty well.

I don't have any different deer management issues that I have much more to say about right now. But I think some conversation worthy material will be coming soon after the January meetings. Just a feeling I have.
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Re: Habitat, Deer & Deer Numbers

Btw, good idea with the thread topic blue. Nice wide open field to play on. Ha Ha!
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