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Why H/R
New to this site.55 yrs hunting and more deer than I can count.On this topic I see Keyboard cowboys who never seen a wild deer,Guys from 5C argueing with guys from 2G about deer populations,antler freaks VS. meat hunters (me).
Its time to look at the overall picture and see what is up with the deer herd.
I am sure the Pgc dropped the numbers for a reason. Genetics? Diseas? Interbreeding?.Anybody have an idea?
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to increase habitat and herd health.

get ready for a huge debate and everything getting off topic. not sure if that is a question you want to ask on here. you are going to get 500 different answers (opinions). if you truly want to know, it would do you better to do research and read some fact filled articles. since you are new here you probably havent noticed that EVERY post on here gets turned into a HR and AR debate. you can just look at those posts (a few hundred from the past few years) and you can get the same answers you are going to get in the next few hours on this thread.

good luck in your quest and welcome.
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Thanks for the insite 308,I can weed out the key board cowboys pretty quick and all other opinions I respect.Habitat is one issue that comes up,By the size of the deer I see I'm sure it was a factor.I see fewer deer but very large size.
If you ever seen a massive winter kill like Pike County in the 70'S,you understand that nature handles overpop in her own way. I think the PGC had other reasons for H/R
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There has been links from biologist John Eveland that have been posted several times on some of the other posts. That explains it all clearly.
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Thanks for the insite 308,I can weed out the key board cowboys pretty quick and all other opinions I respect.Habitat is one issue that comes up,By the size of the deer I see I'm sure it was a factor.I see fewer deer but very large size.
If you ever seen a massive winter kill like Pike County in the 70'S,you understand that nature handles overpop in her own way. I think the PGC had other reasons for H/R
Overall, there are multiple reasons for HR. One stated by the PGC in their management plan was to reduce human-deer conflicts. Deer are not habitat specialists by any means and when overpopulation occurs, roses and gardens get eaten more often, cars hit them more often, farmers have more crop loss, etc. Nature does take care of itself, but there is a long time for human-deer conflicts to occur between May and January/February when winter kills take care of the problems.

I also have no doubt that if the PGC was not proactive in HR, CWD would already have been detected in PA and likely have a strong hold on the deer population.

Of course, many folks tell me they like AR but not HR. The problem with this is that AR without HR would be counter productive as it would increase the deer population and herd health would decline. This would result in more conflicts as well.
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There has been links from biologist John Eveland that have been posted several times on some of the other posts. That explains it all clearly.
what it explains are mr evelands opinions, and why they are different from pgc or most other deer management plans. theres always different conspiricy theoeies in anything controversial or unpopular, this is no different.

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No. Not just opinions. LOTS of supporting facts. You are just trying to dismiss it all because of your opnions. Plenty in there other than his opinions on the issues that cannot be debated, but is strictly fact.
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I agree with some of what you said Wiz, only things I would add is that you have to have too many deer for their health to suffer. That is not the case today, and in most areas it would not be an issue with SOME herd growth either.

As for cwd, thats not an issue because of too many deer, we probably would never have it here if it weren't for the deer farming.
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No. Not just opinions. LOTS of supporting facts. You are just trying to dismiss it all because of your opnions. Plenty in there other than his opinions on the issues that cannot be debated, but is strictly fact.
everyone who drinks milk will die. thats an undisputible fact, no?

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Sure it is. But unfortunately it doesn't oppose any of the scathing facts in the Eveland files.
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