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studies down south indicate yotes are having alot more of an impact on the deer herd then previously thought.i have said before pa has the same problem.
this year i'm seeing very few fawns and when i do they are singles.
let's face it,some of the more remote areas really don't get that much hunting pressure so what is keeping the populations low like in the south?coyotes
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I agree on seeing a lot of does with just 1 fawn. We have coyotes around here, who doesn't, but didn't think they were hurting the deer too badly.

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recent studies down south admitted it's worst then previously thought.in my opinion it is the same case here in pa.but some on these forums do not think so.
maybe the anterless tags should be adjusted accordingly.where needed.
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How much of an impact do they have in the midwest where the yote polulation is much higher?I don't know,I'm just asking.

Predators certainly have an impact but once again,I firmly believe it's directly related to habitat.
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hi dce.not sure about the midwest.i'll try to search for that info.the south is more comparable to pa though.
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studies down south indicate yotes are having alot more of an impact on the deer herd then previously thought.i have said before pa has the same problem.
this year i'm seeing very few fawns and when i do they are singles.
let's face it,some of the more remote areas really don't get that much hunting pressure so what is keeping the populations low like in the south?coyotes
There is also a HUGE difference in the breeding times and fawn birth windows between the southern and northern states that influence the percentage of fawn predation.

In the southern states, since fawns donít have extreme winter conditions to contend with, does breed over a much longer period of the summer and fall. That results in the annual fawn crop being dribbled out over the entire spring and summer. Which then allows for a much longer time that coyotes can catch fawns. That in turn also keeps the coyote populations both on the hunt for fawns and also in a healthier and higher population status.

In the northern states, like Pennsylvania, the majority of doe breeding, provided you have a near natural and correct buck to doe ratio, occurs over a short six-week period. That then results in a burst or flooding of fawns hitting the ground in a shorter period of time. That short flooding of fawns means predation is not going to result in as high of percentage of loss as you get when you dribble the fawning over a longer period of time as what occurs in the southern states. That narrowing of the breeding time and fawn birth window is also why it is important to have a buck/doe ratio that results in the does being bred during their first estrus cycle.

In short you simply canít compare and extrapolate fawn predation from those southern states into anything relative, meaningful or accurate to what predation is I the northern states. There are two totally different set of influences from one area to the other that make them non-relative.

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studies down south indicate yotes are having alot more of an impact on the deer herd then previously thought.i have said before pa has the same problem.
this year i'm seeing very few fawns and when i do they are singles.
let's face it,some of the more remote areas really don't get that much hunting pressure so what is keeping the populations low like in the south?coyotes

Your refering to the South Carolina study?
We just had page after page on this subject on here. Im pretty sure RSB covered it.
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hi dce.not sure about the midwest.i'll try to search for that info.the south is more comparable to pa though.
I could be wrong but I'd think the midwest would be more comparable to our weather and habitat conditions than the south.
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rsb showed an interesting fact of different breeding times.
as for the midwest i would think it's more field/small wood lots compared to our northern counties where most is forested.south was more done in app/smokey mountain regions.
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having said that i personally still feel yotes are killing more fawns then first indicated.in the last few years it's rare for me to see twins anymore.going a few years back i used to see alot more twins.this would be a sign of predators?
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