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post #1 of 62 (permalink) Old 01-28-2012, 06:35 PM Thread Starter
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Stroupy's Walk

Met up with Stroupy in his home town and he took us to his hunting area. Weiser State Forest, Schuykill County.

On the walk up, we did notice a good bit of browsing on various plants. In light of NO acorn crop, that is to be expected.

Here is a stump along the log road. The sprouts, browsed off and the stump is now dead.




He took us to a clearcut that had been fenced right after timbering. Stroup wondered why so many of the branches of the trees in the cut were dead and breaking off. Turned out it was mostly birch and just natural they were self pruning due to a lack of sunlight.

Along the way, we found this tree:




And this was at the top of the tree:



American Chestnut and we brought a burr back that had 3 seeds in it.

Along the way, we pointed somethings out to Stroupy, stump sprouts, various species of trees. The first part of the cut we walked into seemed like regen was pretty lousy, once we got deeper in, we began to find more and more oak regen, both stump sprouts and larger seedlings. All of them competing with the surrounding birch for sunlight.

On the way out, he said that the growth outside wasn't all that different than inside. However, when we looked at what was growing and how it was growing, we found something different.

This oak was outside the fence. I'd guess 3 feet tall maybe?




This oak, the tree with the brown leaves, was inside the fence. As you can see, tall, straight.




I think, for me, that brought home how deer, even a few, can impact tree growth. Oaks aren't supposed to be 3 foot shrubs, they should be tall and straight.

So, while I still have questions about his area, I can see that deer still impacted it.

The question is, how severe is the impact today?

BTW, I saw a very good number of buck rubs, and if he ain't careful, he might have some competition up on that ridge. LOL

Bryan, many thanks for showing us around and allowing us to learn from YOU. Well worth the 4 hours we spent with you. Hope to get back in the spring to prune that one oak. LOL



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Was that your hand or Stroupy's hand with the fingernail polish.




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STROUPY!!!!

Thats why I took an axe along.



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Here is an unusual seed we found:



And seeds hanging in the tree yet:



Here is a leaf:



Turns out, after sending pics to a PGC expert, it is Pawlonia, an invasive that will present future problems.



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How long was the fence up? Was it up pre-cut? They are doing that now more for advanced regen.
I commend Stroupy for taking a couple of experts with him to try to learn more on the subject.
I have recently begun studying areas that have been herbicided. Most of the areas here that fall into that cat are only a couple years old. I would be curious to know if any of the fences in his area have been herbicided. Once you knock out the competing veg and control the deer impact, the results can be rather interesting.

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Anyone have an epiphany?

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I think the fences were up maybe 7-8 years or so? He said the cut was pre HR by a year or so, and they took them down a few years ago.

We did a lot of talking and my memory ain't so good.



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Anyone have an epiphany?
I'll let Stroupy answer that. I think we answered some of his questions. Created more. But, gave him a bit more insight into how things work.

I very much want to commend him for having a very open mind, and being inquisitive enough ask questions. He knows he doesn't have all the answers and, most of all, WANTS TO LEARN.

He is light years ahead of many.



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The big forest areas of the entire state need herbicided and shelterwood cut. Not realistic. But, that is my ideal solution.

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