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NJ Antler Point Restriction Survey Results

http://www.njfishandwildlife.com/new...apr_survey.htm

August 15, 2011
Antler Point Restrictions (APR) are a tenet of quality deer management in which younger bucks with smaller antlers are restricted from harvest in the hope that older, larger-antlered bucks will be available for harvest in subsequent years. New Jersey's APR program restricts the harvest of bucks to those with at least three points on an antler; seven Deer Management Zones (DMZ) already have this regulation.

In response to a request to the NJ Fish and Game Council to add Antler Point Restrictions (APR) to five southern New Jersey Deer Management Zones (DMZ), the NJDEP Division of Fish and Wildlife conducted a scientific survey to obtain a concensus of opinion from deer hunters in the proposed zones.

In April, 2010, the survey was mailed to 3,231 hunters who purchased a deer hunting permit from at least one of the five proposed APR DMZs during the 2008-09 season. Hunters returned 1,351 completed surveys and 128 surveys came back as undeliverable. The survey return rate was forty-four percent (44%), indicating a strong interest in this subject.

A large majority of the respondents (76%) were in favor of the inclusion of the proposed zones in APR regulations. The Fish and Game Council recognizes that APR in these zones is more of a social issue than a biological issue, and voted for the inclusion in the recently approved Game Code Amendments. Zones 28, 30, 31, 34 and 47 will have APR regulations beginning with the 2011 Fall Bow Deer Season.

The survey results document is available in PDF format on the division's website:

An Assessment of NJ Deer Hunter Opinion on Expanding Antler Point Restriction Regulations in DMZs 28, 30, 31, 34, and 47 (pdf, 160kb)
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they have theirs heads on straight!
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you do know that in jersey you can shoot 6 bucks right?
Ive hunted there for a few years now and most guys will shoot every buck they see on public ground. Very few guys in the zones with no restrctions will hold out.

I hunt one of the zones that was added to AR list this year. Last year i passed up 9 bucks before i shot the one i wanted. That was all on private posted leased land. I also tried hunting down the road on public ground and didnt see a single deer in 5 trips out. If you think our state forests and game lands are over hunted you should see jersey, its get pounded! everyone baits which for me makes things difficult because I refuse to.
all that being said there are some monster bucks in jersey and it has absolutely nothing to do with AR. It has everything to do with the vast majority of the state being posted and leased. NJ has the most people per square mile than any state in the country. Its very hard to gain access. I looked for a few years before anything became available and you pay through the nose for that ground. Also in Jersey non residents have to buy seperate archery and shotgun licenses which will cost you 130 a piece. Now if you want a permit buck tag thats another 30.
Every deer you shoot im jersey must be physically checked in to get an additional tag. They know exactly how many deer get taken every year.
Im all for the AR in all zones there.

So much of jersey is posted so alot of ground is either unhunted or underhunted.
They have almost unlimited doe tags there and still cant get a handle on the deer herd because of posting. The DCNR will never be able to realistically control deer numbers through tags because of posting there.

Ever see a deer drive with 50-75 hunters? It happens in jersey during the 6 day shotgun season. Its like a mini invasion with some gun clubs. Public ground gets pushed hard everyday. Id never seen anything like it before. I got out of there and havent tried for shotgun deer except last year when the bear hunt was added. That was a farce in itself. The delaware water gap- I think one of the biggest pieces of public property in jersey was bombarded by hunters during the 2010 6 day season. I felt like I was hunting 2G PA public property 20 years ago when we had deer and hunters at the same time.
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they have theirs heads on straight!
scratch my last comment. they are as close to clueless as you can get. There is absolutely no need for 6 bucks....NJ is just as clueless as MD
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The DWGNRA is the best public land for banging deer especially nice bucks.


After the first 2 days all the city boys go home and than our club starts driving. We usually end the week with 25-35 bucks and half of them are nice bucks.

All the land from Montague down through Walpack at one time belonged to our families/ hunting club before the Army Corps purchased the land for Tocks Island Dam.
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We usually end the week with 25-35 bucks and half of them are nice bucks.
in my opinion thats just unecessary...glad you have success though...

whats a "nice" buck in NJ
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Clearfield12 knows what he's talking about. I fell in love with bowhunting Jersey a few years back, about the same time I came back to hunting in general. I hunted public land for a couple years, you'd rarely see another hunter at any of the parking lots and there were good populations of deer on public lands. Heaven! Then a couple years ago they legalized Sunday hunting and crossbows the same year. Archery season became like Pa's archery season. Hunters everywhere, putting on drives,etc. I went from shooting 3 or 4 deer a year to not seeing a single deer for weeks at a time. I can get skunked like that on overhunted 5c public lands so why bother? He's totally right about the buck situation too, you see alot more spikes and scrub buck. Jersey is alot like 5c now you'll drive past areas that aren't hunted with loads of deer, and right down the road is public land with no deer on it. As long as deer have these safe havens to go to any kind of management will be impossible.

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So if a hunter in NJ had a nice lease and controlled the pressure they could have a honey-hole for deer huh?

Wonder if that could work in PA? Preesure till they flock to private land?

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almost anywhere you go in south jersey is a honey on private land because of the lack of pressure. EVERYTHING is posted and leased. Unfortunatly theres a lack of public ground so whats left is hit very hard by hunters and gun clubs.
I much prefer unposted land thats open to all hunters and i really hope that doesnt happen to my Pa, but it looks like the antler inches craze has caught a wealthy minority in pa and posting and leasing are on the increase.
The best times of my life were spent bear and deer hunting out of our hunting camp in clearfield county pa. Theres no buck I dont care how big that could ever replace the hunting camp tradition for me.
I believe its the new breed antler porn tv watching hunters who are hurting the sport the most. Hunting in elevated castles over an open field with bait piles every 40 yards just doesnt do it for me.
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Some area's in Jersey have a very good deer population with some really great buck's... Most of these are located South of Rte 80... In these area's there are more private piece's and mini estate's that do not allow hunting, therefore giving the deer area's to thrive in..I live and hunt North of Rte 80 and the deer population is not what it used to be.. A perfect example is: Last year I hunted our firearm deer season all six day's and DID NOT SEE A SINGLE DEER... But I was many interested in bear's. I did see 9 of those though... That's why I hunt deer in Ohio and Illinois..
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