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post #1 of 70 (permalink) Old 07-03-2011, 06:12 PM Thread Starter
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Some NY Hunting Groups Want AR Statewide.

<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/APd2e3b7beee2446078c81c85aeda726cf.html" target="_blank">ALBANY, N.Y. Some sporting groups are endorsing the Department of Environmental Conservation's proposed restriction on hunting yearling bucks in parts of southern New York, saying the new approach to deer management has led to dramatic improvement in the deer herd in pilot areas.

But some hunters do not approve. They say a mandatory restriction on hunting spikehorns would be unfair to hunters and hard to enforce.

"I have never seen a single white-tailed deer management program that has invigorated and excited hunters more," said retired DEC biologist Dick Henry. "Hunters in the current antler restriction areas are hunting a deer herd that many generations of New York hunters have never experienced."


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post #2 of 70 (permalink) Old 07-03-2011, 08:50 PM
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Re: Some NY Hunting Groups Want AR Statewide.

ARs only worsen the antler craze that is ruining hunting for many of us. More posted ground, poaching, greed and jealousy.

I pass many small bucks most archery seasons now just as I did before ARs were the law. I don't think anybody else should be forced to do the same.

Hunters who think it is mainly or only about the antlers are more into bragging than hunting. I think most of the hunting shows on TV are bringing the worst out in alot of folks. I also think they are bringing people into hunting that would be better off left playing video games while turning many good kids off.

My sons are very into hunting. But if the only time they spent in the outdoors was was sitting in a tree stand thinking only about antler score, I would just as soon they spent the time playing golf or some other activity.
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Re: Some NY Hunting Groups Want AR Statewide.

I have yet to sit in a treestand and think about antler score. I support AR's.



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Re: Some NY Hunting Groups Want AR Statewide.

When ARs were first implemented here in Pa I wasn't really
sure if I would like it or not. I was happy just shooting
any buck I could. After a few years of it I started to
notice that I was seeing more bucks eventhough half of them
were not legal ones. I was also noticing that the bucks
that were coming into our taxidermy shop were much nicer
bucks than what was usually brought in before ARs. Mass is
the main thing that has improved. Most bucks before AR that
came in were decent 8 pointers. After ARs half the bucks
are 10+ pointers and the 8 pointers have bigger mass, tine
length, and spreads than most of the ones before AR. Not
that there wasn't the occasional slammer before AR because
there was but on average the bucks are bigger after it.

I am not a trophy hunter and still shoot the first legal
buck I can and am happy whether it's got 5 points or 10
points. I do like ARs and hope they stay the way they are
but honestly wouldn't care if we went back to no ARs. I am
a deer hunter and I enjoy the hunt as much as the harvest
no matter how big or small the deer may be.

I do think that the hunting shows have created an antler
craze that has made people think antler size is all that
matters. For the average hunter especially young hunters
these shows create an unrealistic expectation. When they
don't see a bunch of deer everytime out and rarely if ever
see a big buck they get disappointed and quit. Sadly for
some youths it's easier and more fun to stay home and play
a hunting video game where they can blast big animal after
big animal for a "high score". For these kids real hunting
is just never gonna cut it for them. Technology has ruined
this generation. Instant gratification is what they want
and when they don't get it they whine and give up.

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Re: Some NY Hunting Groups Want AR Statewide.

No one should be forced to shoot the first buck they see.
No one should be forced to wait for a larger buck if antler size is not important to them.

The health of the herd is NOT improved by only shooting multipointed bucks.

By far most of the bucks I have killed have been 8pts, though none have been giants by any strech. I pass on bucks because I want more time to hunt. Many guys don't care how big the buck is-why make them let a chance at buck go by?

It all comes down to making it easier to kill a large antlered deer.
Make things easy. If we don't hunters will cry and the kids won't hunt. Look at all recent changed that have been made and are be demanded by some hunters.
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Re: Some NY Hunting Groups Want AR Statewide.

No one is being forced to shoot the first buck they see.
I agree ARs are not needed for the health of the herd. I
would be fine with the PGC ending ARs and allowing hunters
to shoot any buck they want. I am just saying that I have
seen what ARs have done for the bucks in Pa, that's all.

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Re: Some NY Hunting Groups Want AR Statewide.

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I agree ARs are not needed for the health of the herd.
We cannot be sure of this. A natural deer herd has many age classes of bucks represented in it. We may not know the reason for this, but that is how the whitetail evolved before modern man intervened. If Ma Nature thinks it's a good idea, maybe we should listen?



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Re: Some NY Hunting Groups Want AR Statewide.

Our current ARs are not based on age they are based on
number of points. They are not needed for the health of the
herd. Age structure in a deer herd may be a good thing but
it is not what our ARs are based on. As you know Dutch many
1.5 year old bucks are shot in Pa that have legal racks.

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post #9 of 70 (permalink) Old 07-04-2011, 01:35 PM
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Re: Some NY Hunting Groups Want AR Statewide.

Ah yes, in the strictist sense, it is not based on age, but the result is that we DO have many more older bucks in the herd as a percentage now. Mission accomplished.



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Re: Some NY Hunting Groups Want AR Statewide.

Hunting 57 years now and only shot a handful of bucks. It sure is much nicer taking a picture of a buck, without bending it's ear down like a beagle to see the rack.

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