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Question for the die hard HR drink the kool aid crowd. Ten yrs. ago the head of the Pa. Dept of Forests said, And I quote, " If the PGC dosen't do something about the deer population on State Forest lands they would." They claimed the deer population was so large it was not allowing the forests to regenerate. The PGC swallowed the bait, and started HR. That was 10 yrs. ago. Since that time, the PDF has signed gas leases to drill Marcellus wells. I am totally in favor of the wells, but the leases have allowed the clear cutting to bare earth of 60,000 plus acres of forest land. 60,000 acres is nothing to sneeze at. How can the PDF complain about regeneration of trees on one hand, and agree to clear cut that many acres? The deer hunters have been bambozzled by a group of non-elected bureacrat's to reduce the deer herd. This group has changed the face of deer hunting in Pa. without any public input. If any other non-elected, non-anserwable to election group, would have made such a drastic decision to alter the laws(doe allocatins) of Pa., there would have been a public outcry. Tell me , all you kool-aid swallowing "trophy" huntres, that you would be okay with a non elected Pa. Dept. of Transportation bureacrat telling you how many vehicles you can own. Tell me it would be okay for a non-elected burecrat from the Pa. Dept. of Energy, how much electricity you can use. The HR believing crowd swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. The Pa. Dept. of Forests got the deer herd reduced to so-called regenerate their forests for future income, and at the same time, generated huge sums of money by clear cutting vast amounts of forests. The Pa. Dept. of Forests and the PGC(with their leases) profit, and Pa. deer hunter lose. Sad part is, if you don't like what's happening, you can't vote the decision makers out of office. The old adage rings true, "follow the money".
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Question for the die hard HR drink the kool aid crowd. Ten yrs. ago the head of the Pa. Dept of Forests said, And I quote, " If the PGC dosen't do something about the deer population on State Forest lands they would." They claimed the deer population was so large it was not allowing the forests to regenerate. The PGC swallowed the bait, and started HR. That was 10 yrs. ago. Since that time, the PDF has signed gas leases to drill Marcellus wells. I am totally in favor of the wells, but the leases have allowed the clear cutting to bare earth of 60,000 plus acres of forest land. 60,000 acres is nothing to sneeze at. How can the PDF complain about regeneration of trees on one hand, and agree to clear cut that many acres? The deer hunters have been bambozzled by a group of non-elected bureacrat's to reduce the deer herd. This group has changed the face of deer hunting in Pa. without any public input. If any other non-elected, non-anserwable to election group, would have made such a drastic decision to alter the laws(doe allocatins) of Pa., there would have been a public outcry. Tell me , all you kool-aid swallowing "trophy" huntres, that you would be okay with a non elected Pa. Dept. of Transportation bureacrat telling you how many vehicles you can own. Tell me it would be okay for a non-elected burecrat from the Pa. Dept. of Energy, how much electricity you can use. The HR believing crowd swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. The Pa. Dept. of Forests got the deer herd reduced to so-called regenerate their forests for future income, and at the same time, generated huge sums of money by clear cutting vast amounts of forests. The Pa. Dept. of Forests and the PGC(with their leases) profit, and Pa. deer hunter lose. Sad part is, if you don't like what's happening, you can't vote the decision makers out of office. The old adage rings true, "follow the money".
You are full of bologna about pretty much everything you just posted. You have actually demonstrated how little you know about not only forest and deer habitat management but also how little influence the Bureau of Forestry or Game Commission has over what areas or how much area is affected by gas drilling.

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clear cutting to bare earth of 60,000 plus acres of forest land.
Please sight your source for this "fact".
Also, isn't it you USP that want more timbering as we aren't doing enough?

Fact is, what you have cited here is right from the USP, and we all know how truthful they are about such things.



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Question for the die hard HR drink the kool aid crowd. Ten yrs. ago the head of the Pa. Dept of Forests said, And I quote, " If the PGC dosen't do something about the deer population on State Forest lands they would." They claimed the deer population was so large it was not allowing the forests to regenerate. The PGC swallowed the bait, and started HR. That was 10 yrs. ago. Since that time, the PDF has signed gas leases to drill Marcellus wells. I am totally in favor of the wells, but the leases have allowed the clear cutting to bare earth of 60,000 plus acres of forest land. 60,000 acres is nothing to sneeze at. How can the PDF complain about regeneration of trees on one hand, and agree to clear cut that many acres? The deer hunters have been bambozzled by a group of non-elected bureacrat's to reduce the deer herd. This group has changed the face of deer hunting in Pa. without any public input. If any other non-elected, non-anserwable to election group, would have made such a drastic decision to alter the laws(doe allocatins) of Pa., there would have been a public outcry. Tell me , all you kool-aid swallowing "trophy" huntres, that you would be okay with a non elected Pa. Dept. of Transportation bureacrat telling you how many vehicles you can own. Tell me it would be okay for a non-elected burecrat from the Pa. Dept. of Energy, how much electricity you can use. The HR believing crowd swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. The Pa. Dept. of Forests got the deer herd reduced to so-called regenerate their forests for future income, and at the same time, generated huge sums of money by clear cutting vast amounts of forests. The Pa. Dept. of Forests and the PGC(with their leases) profit, and Pa. deer hunter lose. Sad part is, if you don't like what's happening, you can't vote the decision makers out of office. The old adage rings true, "follow the money".
Someone really pulled the wool over yer eyes, didn't they?


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Question for the die hard HR drink the kool aid crowd. Ten yrs. ago the head of the Pa. Dept of Forests said, And I quote, " If the PGC dosen't do something about the deer population on State Forest lands they would." They claimed the deer population was so large it was not allowing the forests to regenerate. The PGC swallowed the bait, and started HR. That was 10 yrs. ago. Since that time, the PDF has signed gas leases to drill Marcellus wells. I am totally in favor of the wells, but the leases have allowed the clear cutting to bare earth of 60,000 plus acres of forest land. 60,000 acres is nothing to sneeze at. How can the PDF complain about regeneration of trees on one hand, and agree to clear cut that many acres? The deer hunters have been bambozzled by a group of non-elected bureacrat's to reduce the deer herd. This group has changed the face of deer hunting in Pa. without any public input. If any other non-elected, non-anserwable to election group, would have made such a drastic decision to alter the laws(doe allocatins) of Pa., there would have been a public outcry. Tell me , all you kool-aid swallowing "trophy" huntres, that you would be okay with a non elected Pa. Dept. of Transportation bureacrat telling you how many vehicles you can own. Tell me it would be okay for a non-elected burecrat from the Pa. Dept. of Energy, how much electricity you can use. The HR believing crowd swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. The Pa. Dept. of Forests got the deer herd reduced to so-called regenerate their forests for future income, and at the same time, generated huge sums of money by clear cutting vast amounts of forests. The Pa. Dept. of Forests and the PGC(with their leases) profit, and Pa. deer hunter lose. Sad part is, if you don't like what's happening, you can't vote the decision makers out of office. The old adage rings true, "follow the money".
Someone really pulled the wool over yer eyes, didn't they?


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Think a binky will stop the incessant whining?

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This coming from a guy that has killed a deer every year for the past 20.

Sheesh, that sounds like some pretty bad hunting he has had to endure.



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Dutch, are you saying that the Pa. Dept. of Forestery did not sign those leases? Are you saying the head of the Forestry Dept. did not make that statement when it is recorded on tape? These facts are on tape. Read the articles. Fact, each well requires 5-6 acres, are you actually saying there are not 1,000 wells proposed on Forest lands? Get serious Dutch. Gal, I thought you were a little older than that. Is that the best you can counter my comments? R.S.B., are you saying, that these statements were not made by head of Dept. of Foresrty, because if you are, you are wrong. Dutch, please show me where these statements are wrong, except in your kool-aid drinking head. If you never saw a well site(5-6acres), then you shouldn't comment.
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Think a binky will stop the incessant whining?
Gal, instead of wise cracks, prove to me that these statements are false.
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