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post #1 of 172 (permalink) Old 04-19-2011, 12:50 AM Thread Starter
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Bad Call by the Biologists in WMU 2A?

Lets play you be the biologist for <s>a minute</s> an hour.

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/portal/ser...information_pdf

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Forest habitat health is poor in WMU 2A. In fact, at 37% regeneration, its rated as the worst in the state.

The biologists recommend a stable population.

The report does show that the deer population (as well as the habitat) have been decreasing for several years.

Its 97% private land.
3% public

61% forested
29% ag
7% developed
If you were the biologist making the call, and based on the above report, what would you recommend?

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Re: Bad Call by the Biologists in WMU 2A?

Well first I ...my minute was up.....sorry Gal.

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Re: Bad Call by the Biologists in WMU 2A?

OK, you all have an hour.

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Re: Bad Call by the Biologists in WMU 2A?

First off I am not a real biologist, I only play one on TV.

If they recommended stable, then they must feel that the current deer population level will allow the regeneration to increase I would assume. What I don't understand is why make a split season and increase tags to maintain the population. 2A sold out barely last year in antlerless tags. I don't think they will sell all of the tags this year with the increased allocation. Why didn't they leave it concurrent season and leave the tags at roughly the same or decrease slightly if they wanted to maintain the population. I think with the setup this year they will increase the deer population instead of it remaining stable.

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Re: Bad Call by the Biologists in WMU 2A?

Good reply cspot; but I want to know what you would have recommended to the Commissioners if you were the biologist.

I'll put my reply in later.

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Re: Bad Call by the Biologists in WMU 2A?

I can't honestly answer that, because I don't have all the facts. Of course on here it is easier to argue if you don't have all the facts. Forest regeneration doesn't change overnight, so I would assume since they are the professionals, that they feel the current population of deer will allow the regeneration to increase.

If you look across the state no WMU has good regeneration, so you could argue that all WMU should decrease the deer herd.

I know you answer is that they should decrease the deer population in 2A. You have said it already in another thread, I believe.

So my answer, is that I will leave this to the professionals. I could also argue that we had better regeneration when the population was higher. Maybe the deer in 2A actually help regeneration. Therefore we should increase the population.

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Re: Bad Call by the Biologists in WMU 2A?

If I were the biologist I wouldn't be wasting my time defending biology on an internet website primarily based on sociology,...

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Re: Bad Call by the Biologists in WMU 2A?

With it being 97% private land the PGC has no control over it anyway, same as 5C. If all the land is posted as it is where I live and hunt, all the PGC can do is increase the herd by issuing less tags. They don't have the ability to decrease or keep the herd stable.

The PGC should issue the numbers of tags they need to handle their SGL, tags should be unlimited for private lands and DCNR holding.

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Re: Bad Call by the Biologists in WMU 2A?

I also would recommend a stable population as well.

Why attempt to reduce when it is already reducing itself. The hunt able land will be reduced and on the private land where hunting is allowed it will remain stable. The people that have the private land that is only for private use will see that the habitat will not allow the population to expand and also will be reduced.

This would allow for better regeneration on the public lands and hunted private land.

The term private land is misleading. Not all private land means no hunting. Waugh!

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Re: Bad Call by the Biologists in WMU 2A?

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The term private land is misleading. Not all private land means no hunting.
99.9 % private land in rural areas is hunted as hard (per acre) or harder than public lands. As stated before, I've had as many as 18 people rifle hunting on a bit less than 200 acres before.

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