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Have you seen herd reduction strategies working 2b

I will be the first to admit that as a result of antler restrictions, I have seen bigger bucks in general. Overall that is to balance the herd better if I understand correctly along with doe reduction.

That being said, have you seen a real reduction in the herd in 2b? I know that 2b has become more fractured with more housing developments popping up all over. Has the fractured nature of the area overwhelmed or negated any gains?
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I hunt several areas of 2B. Populations have ebbed and flowed. I see less in some areas, more in others. Populations are thinning in the outskirts. In the more urban area, they continue to be out of control,

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Definitely down in my area of 2B, still a huntable population though.
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Re: Have you seen herd reduction strategies working 2b

So....what is the solution for the more urban or fractured areas? More tags specifically by township? How do you thin it out in these areas?
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So....what is the solution for the more urban or fractured areas? More tags specifically by township? How do you thin it out in these areas?
I see it as a never ending chess game.

I've been involved in a suburban deer control program for 20 years now. I'm a small part of this program. IE: I bowhunt there. They also have sharpshooters where bowhunting is impossible or where it falls short. The biggest problem I've seen is keeping landowners involved. Over the time I've been involved, I've hunted for several different landowners and lost several properties over the years. I've never lost one because the landowner was unhappy with our efforts. Every property I, or my buddy in this program have lost has been when someone moved away and a new owner moves in. If I've done my job, the new owner doesn't see a deer problem when he moves into his new property! So we lose hunting property for 1-4 years (usually) and then we get it back. In the meantime, populations fluctuate in those small slices of habitat. So the key to managing deer pops in fractured suburbia and scattered rural patches, IMHO, is a constant PR campaign with property owners. Cuz it simply doesn't matter how many deer is too many. If the non hunting private property landowners don't see the picture the way we need them to, the herd won't be controlled the way it should be.

Oh yeah, The biggest myth about hunting urban deer is the "tame deer" myth! Big woods deer and farm country deer are both WAYYYY easier to hunt. Just like your dog knows there's a stranger near long before he sees him, urban/suburban deer are extremely "street smart"

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So the key to managing deer pops in fractured suburbia and scattered rural patches, IMHO, is a constant PR campaign with property owners. Cuz it simply doesn't matter how many deer is too many. If the non hunting private property landowners don't see the picture the way we need them to, the herd won't be controlled the way it should be.
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Oh yeah, The biggest myth about hunting urban deer is the "tame deer" myth! Big woods deer and farm country deer are both WAYYYY easier to hunt. Just like your dog knows there's a stranger near long before he sees him, urban/suburban deer are extremely "street smart"
Yep. The same deer that will stand in a yard when someone is cutting grass is a different animal when you are in a tree in the woodlot right next to the same yard.

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Oh yeah, The biggest myth about hunting urban deer is the "tame deer" myth! Big woods deer and farm country deer are both WAYYYY easier to hunt. Just like your dog knows there's a stranger near long before he sees him, urban/suburban deer are extremely "street smart" [/quote]

I don't know if a totally agree with this. Suburban deer are smart and they sure are not tame but they are not tougher than hunting deer in the big woods. For one, they have a lot less places to hide and when the rut is on big bucks will get stupid and chase a doe into a little 5 acre patch of woods in some suburban woodlot. Suburban hunting requires a lot of patience more than anything. They will hang out in an area for a while and the next thing you know you won't be able to see a deer for a week or two. Suburban hunting also has limited options but big woods are a lot tougher to narrow things down so I feel that big woods hunting requires more scouting and knowledge so to speak. I also know of a lot of novice hunters who score big time in suburbia on monster bucks but if you put them in an area with thousands of acres of public land they would not know where to begin. This has been my experience anyhow.

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Oh yeah, The biggest myth about hunting urban deer is the "tame deer" myth! Big woods deer and farm country deer are both WAYYYY easier to hunt. Just like your dog knows there's a stranger near long before he sees him, urban/suburban deer are extremely "street smart" [/quote]

I don't know if a totally agree with this. Suburban deer are smart and they sure are not tame but they are not tougher than hunting deer in the big woods. For one, they have a lot less places to hide and when the rut is on big bucks will get stupid and chase a doe into a little 5 acre patch of woods in some suburban woodlot. Suburban hunting requires a lot of patience more than anything. They will hang out in an area for a while and the next thing you know you won't be able to see a deer for a week or two. Suburban hunting also has limited options but big woods are a lot tougher to narrow things down so I feel that big woods hunting requires more scouting and knowledge so to speak. I also know of a lot of novice hunters who score big time in suburbia on monster bucks but if you put them in an area with thousands of acres of public land they would not know where to begin. This has been my experience anyhow. [/quote]

I AGREE WITH THAT COMPLETELY.I've never hunted 2B but I've hunted humanized deer.They do know where you're a threat and where you're not.Even though they may seem tame,once you get into an area where people normally aren't,they aren't all that tame.Still,there's a big difference trying to pattern deer in contiguous forest than there is in fragmented urban areas.
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