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post #131 of 136 (permalink) Old 08-28-2017, 03:37 PM
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I also don't hunt woodlots. We hunt mountain land surrounded by AG fields.

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post #132 of 136 (permalink) Old 08-29-2017, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by LONZO View Post
I think the combination of mandatory and voluntary restraint is part of the reason we had a 59% 2.5 or better buck harvest last yr.

Whereas this thread was revived...... Pa with mandatory restrictions is only gaining 11% over NY who is relying on education and personal choice.
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post #133 of 136 (permalink) Old 08-29-2017, 12:16 PM
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AR itself isn't the only reason. Clearcuts, better feed and less pressure up North have all contributed to better bucks. Plus only having one buck tag helps.
We in New York have been letting small bucks go for years. They are on the cusp of either AR or cutting back to only 1 tag according to rumors.. I'm for 1 tag.
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post #134 of 136 (permalink) Old 09-01-2017, 09:54 AM
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I think we are reaching a point with less and less hunters and more hunters looking for bigger bucks, that in a lot of areas you wouldn't notice much difference between voluntary restraint and AR. Some high hunter density areas such as small gamelands would notice the difference. One thing to remember, because of AR we are actually shooting smaller racked bucks brcause every study I have read has stated it takes to 4.5/5.5 for spikes and y's to catch up in their genetic potential. Not many bucks in PA reach those age classes.

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post #135 of 136 (permalink) Old 10-18-2017, 03:41 PM
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I don't even like the sound of management bucks. All that culling may work on ranches where the property owner has full control of what is taken and wants to grow trophy buck that he can charge an arm and a leg to hunt. However, in PA where that are millions of acres on public land and a whole lot of hunters who really aren't that interested in "trophy bucks it wouldn't get any support. Anyone remember the years of whining and screaming over AR and HR? The intent of both of those things was never to grow trophy bucks, it was to better balance the age of the herd and to allow more bucks to grow beyond a year and a half years old which was the majority of our buck harvest prior to AR and HR. I don't ever want PA to become a trophy buck state.

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post #136 of 136 (permalink) Old 10-18-2017, 05:00 PM
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IIRC the results of the last deer hunter survey (2014/15??) the quality of antlers seen or harvested only was important to less than 6% of hunters surveyed.
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