Mich. Cuts 1% Trees for Grouse, Deer, & Hunters - The HuntingPA.com Outdoor Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 12-28-2014, 01:45 PM Thread Starter
The Man
 
grundsow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Berks County, PA
Posts: 6,615
Back To Top
Mich. Cuts 1% Trees for Grouse, Deer, & Hunters

In the Fall 2014 issue of Ruffed Grouse Society magazine, Michigan DNR announces a new Forest Mngt. Plan (G.E.M.S.) aimed at improving quality of grouse/woodcock & deer hunting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Jezioro, WV DNR Director
For a sport like hunting or golf to prosper, people need to have good experiences. And like golf, if grouse and woodcock hunting are to continue to be there for future generations, hunters must have positive experiences. And like golf, and any other activity for that matter, the more people involved, the greater the voice they have to get things done.

Thanks to the innovative, progressive, out-of-the-box thinking of Mich. DNR Upland Bird Specialist Al Stewart and U.P. Regional Wildlife Supervisor Terry Minzy – both wildlife biologists and grouse hunters – and with the complete support of Keith Creagh, Michigan’s DNR Director, the U.P. Grouse Enhanced Management System (GEMS) was born. A total of 13 areas are planned, ranging in size from 1,800 acres to more than 3,000.

We all know that many of the habitat practices that benefit grouse and woodcock also benefit many non-hunting activities. The heart of the GEMS project will be intensively managed timber harvests… management will center on the public land of the U.P.’s state and national forests. As a template, the Michigan DNR is using the Strickler Ruffed Grouse Management Area… this area contained 1,800 acres of mixed aspen and cedar. The goal of this plan was to harvest 100 acres every five years, or 20 acres per year.
Let’s see, 20 ÷ 1,800 acres = 1% annually. Hmmm, that 1% annually looks awfully familiar. Ohhh, but grundsow is craaazy!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Jezioro, WV DNR Director
The whole plan centers on creating more places to hunt with easier access and easy to find areas to hunt… With additional and easier places to find and hunt, it will hopefully increase hunter recruitment and retention… By far, most hunters hunt deer. They also realize that to continue with good numbers of deer, there must be cutting of mature forests. Without new, regenerating young forests, there is nowhere for deer to browse… With nothing but mature forest, the understory dies and disappears… This joining of the deer-hunting fraternity with the bird-hunting community will form a large bloc of users.
He goes on to mention possibilities of involving local businesses via raffles for prizes like guns & ATV’s.

PGC has a “ruffed_grouse_management_plan_2011-2020.pdf” too that calls for increased tree cutting on SGL. According to the plan, by the end of this year (2014), an additional 32,000 acres (50 sq mi) above and beyond the historical should have been completed.


According to “pa_woodcock_mgmt_plan_final.pdf”, by the end of this year an additional 47,530 acres (74 sq mi) of habitat should have been completed.


Time is ticking away. Ask the PGC Board of Commissioners to have the Forestry staff give us a progress report on both the Grouse & Woodcock forest plans at the next public meeting on January 25-27, 2015.

pgccomments@ pa.gov



I can't complain but sometimes I still do - Joe Walsh
grundsow is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 12 (permalink) Old 01-05-2015, 06:34 PM
Senior Member
 
jimbridger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: kunkle, pa
Posts: 16,204
Back To Top
Re: Mich. Cuts 1% Trees for Grouse, Deer, & Hunters

So what you are saying is that both Mich. and PA. have plans on the books.

Funny you did not look to see if Mich. is on track or behind on the effort. Seems easy to write up a management plan. Seems a tad more difficult to stick to the letter of the plan.

Does Mich. DNR only run on hunting money or is it from the general fund?

Quote:
this area contained 1,800 acres of mixed aspen and cedar.
How many places like this in Pa.? What is Mich. doing with the mixed hardwoods areas? Are they cutting them down just to make grouse habitat?

I can't wait until this all gets done. Than for sure no one will hunt beyond sight of the parking lot. Waugh!

AR is only a pacifier.You will never grow if it's not in your genes.
jimbridger is offline  
post #3 of 12 (permalink) Old 01-05-2015, 06:41 PM
Senior Member
 
jimbridger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: kunkle, pa
Posts: 16,204
Back To Top
Re: Mich. Cuts 1% Trees for Grouse, Deer, & Hunters

On a side note the diameters of the holes on the greens in Michigan have been increased to 12 inches to provide a better experience to the gophers on the golf course, said Bill Murray head groundskeeper. Waugh!

AR is only a pacifier.You will never grow if it's not in your genes.
jimbridger is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 12 (permalink) Old 01-06-2015, 11:49 PM
Diehard Outdoorsman
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: northern Dauphin Co.
Posts: 2,730
Back To Top
Re: Mich. Cuts 1% Trees for Grouse, Deer, & Hunters

Since the price if timber is back up now, I say now IS a good time to do some cutting. For quite a few years before now (and maybe the last year or so), it would have been bad business sense to cut any amount. Don't give it away.

Everyone knows that successional habitat is good for most species.
holedigger is offline  
post #5 of 12 (permalink) Old 01-07-2015, 05:06 PM
The Man
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Georgia
Posts: 5,576
Back To Top
Re: Mich. Cuts 1% Trees for Grouse, Deer, & Hunters

1% is the given idea amount of timbering in a year.
But states have been taking a beating over the last ten years.
The recession caused considerable problems in most states. Georgia is taking a beating because many acres of land went to newprint. And you know what's happened to newspapers in the last ten and twenty years.
PA with a lot of state land has the additional problem of not exceeding private timbering too widely. State land is a competitor to private land, and it has to be balanced.
mus42tang is offline  
post #6 of 12 (permalink) Old 01-07-2015, 08:28 PM
Senior Member
 
jimbridger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: kunkle, pa
Posts: 16,204
Back To Top
Re: Mich. Cuts 1% Trees for Grouse, Deer, & Hunters

Quote:
PA with a lot of state land has the additional problem of not exceeding private timbering too widely. State land is a competitor to private land, and it has to be balanced.
How very true.

Beyond all that political stuff lies the future. Yes if only we could see into the future.

How many more acres of trees will fall to build more well pads? How many felll so far?
How many will fall for the pipelines? How many already did?
How many will be removed for the cross state electrical lines that are set to start this spring. Well cross most of the state or at least half.
How many will die off because of the insects?

Hemlocks will get blasted. We know this and all we can do is watch.

Same can be said of the Ash. Next time you are out in the woods just about anywhere in Pa look around and try to imagine the forest minus all or even most of the Ash trees. Well we should have some great woodpecker habitat for a good number of years anyway.

The list keeps extending and we must look into our crystal ball and cut some more just to try to keep the forest and the animals that depend on the habitat healthy. Waugh!

AR is only a pacifier.You will never grow if it's not in your genes.
jimbridger is offline  
post #7 of 12 (permalink) Old 01-07-2015, 09:34 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: springfeild twp,mercer co
Posts: 11,894
Back To Top
Re: Mich. Cuts 1% Trees for Grouse, Deer, & Hunters

not trying to pick nits james, but most ash trees go down within a couple years. roots rot and down they go.

Pence/Putin 2024
yellodog is offline  
post #8 of 12 (permalink) Old 01-08-2015, 09:33 AM
Frequent Contributor
 
btm137's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Huntingdon, PA-4D,4A
Posts: 689
Back To Top
Re: Mich. Cuts 1% Trees for Grouse, Deer, & Hunters

Quote:
Originally Posted by mus42tang
-State land is a competitor to private land, and it has to be balanced.
State land is not "competing" with private land. I have read countless management plans for state owned property, and have never seen where out-competing private landowners was an objective.

There is no "X" in my bow!!
btm137 is offline  
post #9 of 12 (permalink) Old 01-09-2015, 02:39 AM
Senior Member
 
jimbridger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: kunkle, pa
Posts: 16,204
Back To Top
Re: Mich. Cuts 1% Trees for Grouse, Deer, & Hunters

What are you calling a couple of years?

I have an ash tree that I put my deer stand in when I bought my place 34 years ago this June. The tree guessing by size was at least 20 to 30 years old when I put the stand up so My guess is she is 50 60 years old.
I know ash have shallow roots and many blow over. I also know they are harvested about twice as fast as the other hard woods. They grow fast and fill forest gaps. When the ash is gone I guess the gaps will be filled with striped maple. Waugh!

AR is only a pacifier.You will never grow if it's not in your genes.
jimbridger is offline  
post #10 of 12 (permalink) Old 01-09-2015, 02:45 AM
Senior Member
 
jimbridger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: kunkle, pa
Posts: 16,204
Back To Top
Re: Mich. Cuts 1% Trees for Grouse, Deer, & Hunters

Quote:
State land is not "competing" with private land. I have read countless management plans for state owned property, and have never seen where out-competing private landowners was an objective.
For what it is worth I think he was saying there is that fine line where the market could get flooded.

And yes they are competing with private land in that the loggers are cutting on both state and private land. If a logger can make more money and jump through less hoops on private land than that is where the bid is going to go. Waugh!

AR is only a pacifier.You will never grow if it's not in your genes.
jimbridger is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The HuntingPA.com Outdoor Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome