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post #1 of 117 (permalink) Old 06-05-2014, 03:27 PM Thread Starter
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Bear Density Goals

In light of the pending PA “Predator Study” to be discussed next week, I think the following is important to note.

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The Maine Wildlife Conservation Council boasts <span style="font-style: italic">“Maine has the largest bear population in the eastern United States”</span> and cites that a population of <span style="font-style: italic">”more than 30,000 bears occur statewide”</span>.



At a size of 35,385 sq mi, the wilds of Maine average about 0.85 bear/sq mi. (human density of 43 psm).

In comparison, PA averages 0.70 bear pfsm statewide in recent years (human density of 284 psm).

Even more importantly, Maine has bear density goals that range from a pre-hunt density of 0.2 psm “of habitat” on up to <span style="font-weight: bold">1.3 psm</span>. &gt;LINK&lt;

Compared to Clinton & Cameron County PA which both currently have densities of about <span style="font-weight: bold">1.6 bpfsm</span> and in the recent past have in all likelihood breached the 2.0 mark!





Why is PA bear mngt. so out of step with other states? Why is Maine able to keep their bear population stable but PA cannot? Why does PA need such intensely high bear densities to begin with, higher even than wilds of Maine???

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Re: Bear Density Goals

Have you ever hunted in Clinton and Cameron counties?I hunt southern Cameron county and curse at myself everytime I do so.It's strait up and down.I generally hunt a dmap area most years on the last day of rifle season.Many seasons there's been snow cover since November and I've yet to see a human or a even a bootprint.Not all of the Cameron county is like that but there's plenty of places for bears to seek refuge with little chance of being disturbed.Areas of the Sproul state forest are even worse.Getting a bear out of those places would be next to impossible without packing them out unless you had a pile of guys.That certainly doesn't mean that the PGC has intentionally increased the bear density in those two counties.
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Re: Bear Density Goals

There are means of effectively managing the bear population, but it would mean tabling such ideas as baiting in big woods areas and possibly spring hunting, neither of which seem to be popular discussions in PA, but tools which are used effectively in many other states and provinces.
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Re: Bear Density Goals

While the terrain in Clinton/Cameron may appear miserable to hunt (compared to other locals), the historical record eliminates any doubt about ability to control bear numbers there.

Bear density there has made a steady rise from over-protection. Harvest rate today is 1 bear nearly every 2 miles, so someone is willing to do it! PGC just needs to allow hunters to do so with longer seasons & more liberal bag limits and methods.

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Those counties are places where bear hunting has a pretty strong tradition.I wonder how the bear hunters would feel about cutting the bear population in half?
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Re: Bear Density Goals

comparing maine to pa, theres a novel idea. while we are at it, shouldn't we compare other wildlife trends too? should we use maines management plans & goals on our deer herd too?

i'm really not sure what grundsow is getting at lately, with all these bear & predator threads. another layman trying to show that he knows more about wildlife management than the pgc perhaps? a bad experience with predators as a child? or is it just about, as usual, more deer?

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The only people Grundsow is impressing is himself. Just proof that a little, and the emphasis on little, knowledge is a dangerous thing.




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Re: Bear Density Goals

It's always about more deer, and in his case, that's all it's ever been.

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Not about more deer for me, just a higher success rate for hunters of all ages. Not to mention an increased need for hunting. To me it's a no brainer to keep predator numbers in check.
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Re: Bear Density Goals

I'd like to see them consider opening bear (archery) season the last week of regular deer archery season as an option.
Just a thought.

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