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USP's SRA Herd Reduction Plan

In some Pittsburgh and Philadelphia suburbs, unchecked deer herds are a hazard on the roadways, a nuisance in the gardens and a headache for the state Game Commission.

Wildlife managers report that in areas surrounding cities where hunting access is restricted, habitat used by all wildlife is hampered by uncontrolled whitetail expansion. In many neighborhoods deer-vehicle collisions are a serious threat. Other negative deer-human contacts include garden browsing and frightening backyard face-offs with hormone-addled deer. Hunters trying to squeeze between blocks of posted property have awkward run-ins with landowners.

"In urban deer management, the Game Commission is falling on its face," said Robinson resident Randy Santucci, president of Unified Sportsmen of Pennsylvania. "Just jacking up the doe permits doesn't solve the problem -- it's up to 61,000 in 2B."

At a recent meeting with the Board of Game Commissioners, Santucci presented ideas intended to help the agency to "reduce the urban deer population."

Did he say "reduce?" For years, Unified Sportsmen has aggressively attacked the Game Commission's deer management plan on the grounds that too many deer were being killed, asserting that the agency didn't have the backs of Keystone State hunters. Twice in the last decade Unified challenged the agency in Commonwealth Court in unsuccessful bids to reverse the intentional reduction of the deer population.

In what could be seen as a softening of tactics, Unified Sportsmen's president is now proposing ideas that would help the Game Commission to trim deer populations in urban areas. Santucci said he understands the irony.

"This is something from outside the box," he said, "to help address the economic impact of hunters no longer going to camps in the mountains where there used to be lots of deer, and problems in the suburbs where they have the opposite problem of too many deer."

<span style="font-weight: bold">Santucci's special regulations deer proposal, which he called less of a "plan" and more of an "idea," would target does in problem areas. The system he calls "tri-tag" or "earn a buck" would be an archery-only program. Hunters would apply for permits to hunt deer in problem urban areas that could be as narrowly focused as the township level. The tag would permit the hunter to take two does and buck. <span style="color: #FF0000">But because deer are most effectively controlled through managing does, an antlerless deer would have to be killed before the hunter could take a buck. Also, there would be no antler restrictions in the "tri-tag" special regulations areas.</span>

"The buck you take on <span style="color: #FF0000">the special regulations tag would not count against the buck you're entitled to on your statewide license," he said, "but you couldn't get a doe tag anywhere else in the state. </span>... Possibly you could buy more doe tags [in the special regs area]. That would concentrate your focus on the urban area, but you'd still be able to use your statewide license to hunt elsewhere."</span>Santucci said his suggestion would encourage hunters who live in urban areas to help thin herds of problem deer close to home, without restricting their mountain deer hunts.

"I live in Robinson. Say we wanted to start a tri-tag program here," he said. "[The Game Commission] would assess the deer problem and issue a small number of tri-tags -- maybe as few as 50 deer might need to removed from one small area. They'd allocate the tags and hunters would apply for them, archery only."

<span style="font-weight: bold">Under his proposition, Santucci would have to shoot a doe before targeting a buck or another doe.

"But then I could still go with my buddies to my deer camp and try for another buck,</span>" he said. "This is where the economics of it comes in -- I could take my wallet to the mountains and spend money around my camp where they're really hurting from not as many hunters because there aren't as many deer there anymore."

<span style="font-weight: bold">Santucci suggested his idea to commissioner Brian Hoover</span>, who presented it to Game Commission staff for review.

"It's just an idea ... a basic premise that can be modified," he said. "But it might help give them some new ideas on how to deal with some of the problems we're having with managing these deer."




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As stated, the idea was outside the actual USP testimony as USP testified first thing Monday morning.


Similar ideas have been proposed on HPA and in individual official testimony in previous years. The idea still has merit regardless of who presents it.

I do have an issue with denying a hunter the ability to legally obtain and hunt for antlerless deer in other parts of the state. The SRA deer reduction can be done as people have time to do so and as a public service to the communities. That should not be penalized by restricting other opportunity elsewhere.



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I do have an issue with denying a hunter the ability to legally obtain and hunt for antlerless deer in other parts of the state. The SRA deer reduction can be done as people have time to do so and as a public service to the communities. That should not be penalized by restricting other opportunity elsewhere.
it's a veiled attempt at reducing doe hunting at "camp." thats the usp plan, return things to 1960, where everyone buck hunts at "camp", but the doe harvest at "camp" is kept as low as possible. giving a second buck tag is simply a bribe to make up for giving up doe hunting at "camp" for the guys from pittsburgh & philly.

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Sounds like it would be covered with DMAP tags issued. Waugh!

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I think the problem of the downtown deer would be better served by separating the SRA's from the WMU's and issuing tags that can only be used in them.

Besides not enough deer being taken inside the SRA's, the bigger and more vocal problem is the tags being used in surrounding areas. The large allocations impacting on the larger WMU rather than the intended SRA.

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I think the problem of the downtown deer would be better served by separating the SRA's from the WMU's and issuing tags that can only be used in them.

Besides not enough deer being taken inside the SRA's, the bigger and more vocal problem is the tags being used in surrounding areas. The large allocations impacting on the larger WMU rather than the intended SRA.

So much for Bodenhorn's claim that they have so many deer down there because they harvest so many each year.
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2 buck per year, in PA? Itís about time.

Perhaps to make it workable, DMAP tags should not be included in the forfeiting scheme. In other words, DMAP tags should still be available to all, regardless of whether or not you buy/use a ďtri-tagĒ.

The other weird thing is why limit tri-tags to archery-only?

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I think the problem of the downtown deer would be better served by separating the SRA's from the WMU's and issuing tags that can only be used in them.

Besides not enough deer being taken inside the SRA's, the bigger and more vocal problem is the tags being used in surrounding areas. The large allocations impacting on the larger WMU rather than the intended SRA.
Not quite in all areas BT. I hunt southern 2B in Washington county, and it's polluted with deer in the area I hunt. I wish they would go back to the old, late rifle doe season which included all of 2B instead of just Allegheny county. Isn't all of 2B about 99% private anyways? I could see how if there was a lot of public ground that the deer(does) could get pounded in those areas but if it's private ground, then the ones hunting there/owners have total control over how many should/could be shot or shouldn't be shot.

All of 2B is heavily posted(inside and outside Allegheny county). Except for SGL 203(which is in Allegheny co.), I don't know how private land can be overhunted, unless people have no self-control on their own property.....or the properties they are allowed to hunt?

The proplem with Allegheny county is there's too many properties with no hunting allowed period, meaning....nobody can hunt them. There's absolutely nothing the PGC can do to change that unless you can change private property rights.........and that's(nor should it) not going to happen.
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I think the problem of the downtown deer would be better served by separating the SRA's from the WMU's and issuing tags that can only be used in them.

Besides not enough deer being taken inside the SRA's, the bigger and more vocal problem is the tags being used in surrounding areas. The large allocations impacting on the larger WMU rather than the intended SRA.

So much for Bodenhorn's claim that they have so many deer down there because they harvest so many each year.
Oh are you saying they havenít been harvest way more deer in those metro areas of the state than they do in the big woods units?

Are you saying they can kill three to five times more deer in the metro areas of the state for twenty years because of some unknown phenomenon that could be related to something other than by harvesting enough of their deer herd that has prevented them from destroying their food supply?

Go ahead and explain to us just how it has worked to keep the deer populations growing in and around those metropolitan parts of the state where they have been harvesting more and more deer year after year for over twenty years.

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I think the problem of the downtown deer would be better served by separating the SRA's from the WMU's and issuing tags that can only be used in them.

Besides not enough deer being taken inside the SRA's, the bigger and more vocal problem is the tags being used in surrounding areas. The large allocations impacting on the larger WMU rather than the intended SRA.

So much for Bodenhorn's claim that they have so many deer down there because they harvest so many each year.
Oh are you saying they havenít been harvest way more deer in those metro areas of the state than they do in the big woods units?

Are you saying they can kill three to five times more deer in the metro areas of the state for twenty years because of some unknown phenomenon that could be related to something other than by harvesting enough of their deer herd that has prevented them from destroying their food supply?

Go ahead and explain to us just how it has worked to keep the deer populations growing in and around those metropolitan parts of the state where they have been harvesting more and more deer year after year for over twenty years.

Dick Bodenhorn
Are you saying access isn't "THE" issue inside the SRA? Or, you saying they really are not impacting the herd in the other areas where access is easier in that WMU? Your rigid theory bites the dust as I read it. The herd is getting smaller where they are taking most of the deer.

Valley Forge. That scientific experiment proved that a lot of deer can result where lack of access trumps the habitat. We never want to admit that do we?
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