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I spent this past weekend in DC with my gf who is a big Holocaust History buff. She has read numerous books and watched every movie on the subject. So after our first night there which ended with an impressive sight in the Changing of the Guard the next day would start off with the Holocaust Museum. I was blow away by the museum and felt myself tearing up several times. I tried to hide my emotions but there is no way an normal human can enter that building and not have emotions. The terror that evil regime put on the Jewish people of Europe is mind boggling. We spent several hours there and could have stayed longer. I highly recommend visiting there if you ever get down that way. Pictures weren't allowed to be taken but they do have a website which gives you some more insight!
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post #2 of 27 (permalink) Old 08-07-2012, 04:21 AM
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had to do a college paper on the Nuremberg trials and whether or not the sentences handed down were justified. Watch the french documentary Night and Fog and you won't know what to say. Horribly tragic, awful. Hitler was a sick, sick man.

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Jews, Gypsies, alot of different groups. "Arbeit Macht Frei"

Lets see, here in the US, we locked up any person of Japanese descent and held them in "Interment Camps" with inadequate clothing and medicine for the cold winters the camps were in. Thousands died, lost their property back home, etc. Oh and then we rounded up and interred the Aleuts for their own good and half died due to our paternal good care. Treated them about like we did the Indians. At least the Indians didn't have barbed wire enclosures with machine guns in the towers. Ever watch Bad Day at Black Rock?

Who was the sick man here?

And who ordered the development and production of the "People's car"?

German sailors who landed on the Delmarva Coast were treated better than we treated our own citizens in the interment camps. The German POWS were parceled out as laborers on rural farms.
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Zimm, I never said there weren't any attrocities on this side of the ocean. But I don't remember us having any gas chambers, or selling people to companies so they could do experiments on people, or killing people and then trying to recycle parts of their bodies for fertilizer, socks, blankets, etc. The war may have force us to make some tough decisions, albeit some bad ones, but no one over here did anything in comparison to what the German's did.

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There has been atrocities as long as there has been people. Whether it was against Jews, Christians, Armenians (19 million killed by some estimates) Angolans, etc. The German WW2 leadership was not the worst and unfortunately was not the last.

The Holocaust was bad. But such a museum creates the false notion that it was just the Nat Socialist Partei or just a certain ethnic group, even that it was the worst.

Experiments on people? like marching US soldiers into the American desert and giving them sunglasses to watch a nuclear blast, so a Government contractor could evaluate the radiation effects? Letting the government regulate organ donation? Stem cell research? Dismembering fetuses at abortion clinics?
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Zimm, I agree there have been many atrocities throughout history that were awful. I think the idea of the Holocaust museum is a great idea, if we forget histroy we are doomed to repeat it and I would never want to see a group of people be it Jewish or any other persecuted like that ever again, it helps us to remember the awful that men are capable of if left unchecked or if good men don't intervene. I also agree the things you have mentioned are not good things. But I'm sorry we may have done or do some bad things but in no way shape or form do we compare to the Nationalist Socialist Party, were gonna have to disagree on this one.

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When I was in DC, you had to have a reservation to get into the holocaust museum, so I couldn't go. But I wanted to and I will the next time I go.

In spite of the boobs it is populated by, Washington DC is an incredible place. Everyone should go there. The changing of the guard is something everyone should see.

Any comparisan between the atrocities of the Nazis and those committed in this country at the time is completely absurd.

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Yep just ask a million Japanese souls at Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Absurd is the continuing denial by folks who have no clue what our country has done throughout it's history. If we are going to build museums based on the number of innocents killed,it would be for the Armenians. or Angolans.

What the Nazis did was brutal and was genocide. But the US has a great deal of blood on it's hands as well. The turks killed at least twice as many Armenians as the Nazis killed Jews and Gypsies. The US Civil War prisoner of War camps on both sides were guilty of similar cruelty. The piles of bodies and starved walking skeletons were little different.
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We didn't want to wipe out the Japanese people. It was a decision by our government to end the war which had an unbelievable death toll at that point. Many lives were saved by that historical bombing. To compare the nazis to our dark doing's is absurd to say the least. This country is far from perfect but is still the greatest country on the planet! JMO
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When I was in DC, you had to have a reservation to gwet into the holocaust museum, so I couldn't go. But I wanted to and I will the next time I go.

In spite of the boobs it is populated by, Washington DC is an incredible place. Everyone should go there. The changing of the guard is something everyone should see.

Any comparisan between the atrocities of the Nazis and those committed in this country at the time is completely absurd.
If you are military, government employee, or law enforcement you stand in the line to the left. When the doors open at 10:00am you go to the information desk and show your id and can get 2 tickets. I have visited DC several times through the years and it seems like I always see something new or learn something new. This time besides visiting the Holocaust Museum for the first time I learned that rocks placed on the tops of tombstones at Arlington mean that a family member has visited there recently.
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