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Will game carts become strollers?

Interesting article. Guess the question is when is to young to young?

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I think now in PA the rules are too young with mentored hunts. My boys will be waiting until they are 12 until they are out with a gun.

I have taken them out with me in archery but I think that there is too much that can happen too quickly even with a parent or guardian right there. Heck...I think I am at times more worried about the parent or guardian then the kids.

My opinion is the move by PA along with some of the other changes is a "money grab" so the commission can stay solvent. Combine Fish and Game Commissions and get real with the benefit packages they receive. The rest of us had to deal with pension / retirement and insurance changes over the last 10 to 15 years....why hasn't the State?
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Combining the agencies would be the stupidest thing the sate could do. Instead of having two underfunded agencies there would be one big underfunded agency competing for the license fees. Additionally the monies earned from the game lands, which is substantial would have to be shared with the fish and boat side which would hurt the game side. What you folks who continue to say combine the agencies don't realize that the combined agencies are funded by tax payers, not just hunters and fishermen so their funding is totally dependent on what the legislature and the governor allows them to have each year. I know a lot of people in a lot of state game and fish agencies and all I ever heard from them is they wish they were set up like the PGC and PAF&B. Additionally, once that happens the head of the combined agency would be appointed by the governor and be a political hack getting paid back and would not be there for the best interests of the resources or the sportsmen. When governors change, the agency head would change and there would be no continuity in running programs in the agency. Be careful what you wish for, because once that happens it will be here forever. But then perhaps you wouldn't mind hunters and fishermen's money going to welfare recipients and other uses that would benefit politicians and not sportsmen because there would be no way they would not put fish and game money in the general fund.
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I hope so, then i might be able to convince somebody to push me around the hills in it.
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I disagree. Do you think that the executive directors and commissioners of the PGC and PFBC are not political appointees currently? Since this is a hunting forum here is the PGC:

Commissioners

Making the statement that combining the agencies not resulting in resulted expenses can only be made by someone that is "drinking the cool-aide" or just doesn't understand the indirect costs associated with running any business or organization. By consolidating the two agencies and having competent management there would be a reduction in number of buildings, vehicles, and administrative staff (including commissioners) and above. Now I give you this...if they combined things probably would be worse because of continued appointed leadership that has no business experience and education coupled with continued decisions being driven by politics. The same reasons why overall the state has no money.

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Combining the agencies would be the stupidest thing the sate could do. Instead of having two underfunded agencies there would be one big underfunded agency competing for the license fees. Additionally the monies earned from the game lands, which is substantial would have to be shared with the fish and boat side which would hurt the game side. What you folks who continue to say combine the agencies don't realize that the combined agencies are funded by tax payers, not just hunters and fishermen so their funding is totally dependent on what the legislature and the governor allows them to have each year. I know a lot of people in a lot of state game and fish agencies and all I ever heard from them is they wish they were set up like the PGC and PAF&B. Additionally, once that happens the head of the combined agency would be appointed by the governor and be a political hack getting paid back and would not be there for the best interests of the resources or the sportsmen. When governors change, the agency head would change and there would be no continuity in running programs in the agency. Be careful what you wish for, because once that happens it will be here forever. But then perhaps you wouldn't mind hunters and fishermen's money going to welfare recipients and other uses that would benefit politicians and not sportsmen because there would be no way they would not put fish and game money in the general fund.
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The mentor youth program's by the PGC and PFBC are both outstanding programs. Obviously there are situations that could be questioned. But; overall when the intent of the programs are followed, they are excellent.

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I disagree. Do you think that the executive directors and commissioners of the PGC and PFBC are not political appointees currently? Since this is a hunting forum here is the PGC:

Commissioners

Making the statement that combining the agencies not resulting in resulted expenses can only be made by someone that is "drinking the cool-aide" or just doesn't understand the indirect costs associated with running any business or organization. By consolidating the two agencies and having competent management there would be a reduction in number of buildings, vehicles, and administrative staff (including commissioners) and above. Now I give you this...if they combined things probably would be worse because of continued appointed leadership that has no business experience and education coupled with continued decisions being driven by politics. The same reasons why overall the state has no money.
I always have to laugh at the Monday morning quarterbacks who think they can run the agencies better then they are currently being run.

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This thread sure got hijacked a couple times..It was about deer carts..
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The only person that is being laughed at is you Tony because either your benefiting from the current mismanagement or you have no clue to what has been going on or you have no business experience...my guess maybe both.

Care to enlighten everyone what the cost of fringe benefits are for both of these agencies to the taxpayer and the benefits the employees of these agencies have and what they contribute? Figure out the answers to these questions and come and tell me that it isn't a huge problem. Then explain why nothing is being done about it.



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I disagree. Do you think that the executive directors and commissioners of the PGC and PFBC are not political appointees currently? Since this is a hunting forum here is the PGC:

Commissioners

Making the statement that combining the agencies not resulting in resulted expenses can only be made by someone that is "drinking the cool-aide" or just doesn't understand the indirect costs associated with running any business or organization. By consolidating the two agencies and having competent management there would be a reduction in number of buildings, vehicles, and administrative staff (including commissioners) and above. Now I give you this...if they combined things probably would be worse because of continued appointed leadership that has no business experience and education coupled with continued decisions being driven by politics. The same reasons why overall the state has no money.
I always have to laugh at the Monday morning quarterbacks who think they can run the agencies better then they are currently being run.

Good luck, Tony

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The only person that is being laughed at is you Tony because either your benefiting from the current mismanagement or you have no clue to what has been going on or you have no business experience...my guess maybe both.

Care to enlightenedus what the cost of fringe benefits are for both of these agencies to the taxpayer and the benefits the employees of these agencies have and what they contribute?
Just like you I have no clue what it takes to run the PGC or the PFBC; but I am smart enough to admit that. I dont know what the fuel cost is, I dont know what the vehicle maintenance costs are, I dont know what the it costs to light and heat the buildings, ect., ect., ect. That is why I leave it up to the people who have the information needed to make accurate decisions on what is best for both administrations. It is very easy to get on a soap box and claim to be able to make this change and that change to the agencies and in some fairy tail land think it will all work.

I personally commend the employees of both agencies for getting all the benefits they can. They work hard and deserve fair salary and benefits packages. I believe that it is up to every individual to find themselves a job that gives them fair pay and benefits, and do not begrudge anyone who has a better benefit package than I do.

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