9mm vs 40mm - Page 2 - The HuntingPA.com Outdoor Community
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #11 of 81 (permalink) Old 06-29-2013, 01:47 AM
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Indiana co. Penna.
Posts: 1,587
Back To Top
Re: 9mm vs 40mm

Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtUSMC
Quote:
Originally Posted by John S
They may have, but the 9mm is still an anemic round compared to the .40 cal.
HA!

Thats an uneducated answer if I've ever heard one....
+2

"one hand clapping" mork from ork
treedaddy is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #12 of 81 (permalink) Old 06-29-2013, 03:53 AM
Diehard Outdoorsman
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Schuylkill Co.
Posts: 2,897
Back To Top
Re: 9mm vs 40mm

Quote:
Originally Posted by SgtUSMC
Quote:
Originally Posted by John S
They may have, but the 9mm is still an anemic round compared to the .40 cal.
HA!

Thats an uneducated answer if I've ever heard one....
X3
Apples to Apples with FMJ bullets, a larger diameter bullet usually does a bit better. But using some of today's premium offerings like Speer's Gold Dot, and especially in a +P load, the 9mm ranks right up there with the 40 and 45 in 10% ballistic gelatin.

Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.
mfuff is offline  
post #13 of 81 (permalink) Old 07-02-2013, 02:39 PM
Diehard Outdoorsman
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Sullivan County/Texoma
Posts: 3,079
Back To Top
Re: 9mm vs 40mm

Using your preferred ammunition and the factory ballistics table, it looks like the 9mm still comes up short.

<span style="color: #FFCC00">Gold Dot Personal Protection - 9mm Luger +P</span>

23617


Part Number Cartridge
Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
23617 <span style="color: #FFCC00">9mm Luger +P 124 </span>GDHP 20 0.134


Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
<span style="color: #FFCC00">1220</span> 1085 996 <span style="color: #FFCC00">410</span> 324 273


<span style="color: #FFCC00">Gold Dot Personal Protection - 40 S&W</span>

23961


Part Number Cartridge
Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
23961 <span style="color: #FFCC00">40 S&W 155 </span>GDHP 20 0.123


Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
<span style="color: #FFCC00">1200</span> 1063 974 <span style="color: #FFCC00">496 </span>389 326


<span style="color: #FFCC00">Gold Dot Personal Protection - 45 Auto +P </span>23969


Part Number Cartridge
Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
23969 <span style="color: #FFCC00">45 Auto +P 200 </span>GDHP 20 0.138


Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
<span style="color: #FFFF00">1080</span> 994 930 <span style="color: #FFCC00">518</span> 439 384

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
pappybear is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #14 of 81 (permalink) Old 07-02-2013, 02:49 PM
Diehard Outdoorsman
 
RobOz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Washington Co. P.A.
Posts: 4,537
Back To Top
Re: 9mm vs 40mm

I would not want to be hit center mass with any of them. These days it's more about the bullet.
RobOz is offline  
post #15 of 81 (permalink) Old 07-02-2013, 03:13 PM
Regular Member
 
SgtUSMC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 1,297
Back To Top
Re: 9mm vs 40mm

Quote:
Originally Posted by pappybear
Using your preferred ammunition and the factory ballistics table, it looks like the 9mm still comes up short.

Gold Dot Personal Protection - 9mm Luger +P

23617


Part Number Cartridge
Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
23617 9mm Luger +P 124 GDHP 20 0.134


Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
1220 1085 996 410 324 273


Gold Dot Personal Protection - 40 S&W

23961


Part Number Cartridge
Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
23961 40 S&W 155 GDHP 20 0.123


Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
1200 1063 974 496 389 326


Gold Dot Personal Protection - 45 Auto +P 23969


Part Number Cartridge
Bullet Wt. Bullet Type Box Count Bullet Coefficient
23969 45 Auto +P 200 GDHP 20 0.138


Velocity(in feet per second) Energy (in foot pounds)
Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards Muzzle 50 yards 100 yards
1080 994 930 518 439 384
Obviously it comes up a little short... but I'd hardly call it anemic

Also, When you compare the 9mm +P to a regular 45 Gold dot HP and not the 45 +P this is what you get

45 230 grain GDHP

Muzzle Velocity: 890 fps
Muzzle Energy: 405 ft. lbs.

9mm +P 124 Grain GDHP
Muzzle Velocity: 1220 fps
Muzzle Energy: 410 ft. lbs.

So YES a 9mm loaded with the right bullet most certainly does compete with some of the more popular 45 self defense ammo out there.

My 9mm is loaded with these

Double Tap 124 grain +P ( mine were loaded with the Speer GD's, but now DT loads them with Golden Sabers )

Muzzle Velocity: 1300 fps
Muzzle Energy: 465 ft. lbs.

I'd hardly call that underpowered..... especially since that 9mm loading is rivaling some of the low end, but still very very popular 357 magnum defense ammout there...

I know alot of people that carry 357 magnum Golden Sabers, had one guy laugh at how my 9mm was no match for his 357 and he had golden sabers in his.
Well here's the 357 magnum golden saber's numbers:

Muzzle velocity: 1220 fps
Muzzle energy: 413 ft. lbs.

So in all actuallity my 9mm loading was more potent than his 357 loading... and most consider the 357 magnum to be the best supposed "man stopper" (we all know there is no such thing as a definite 1 shot man stopping self defense round right)

Now I know I compared a high end 9mm round to a low end 357 magnum round there but the Remington loading is very popular mainly because the bullet does look pretty mean and are usually very available. I carry Corbon 125's in my 357 magnum because I did research and seen they were very superior to what Remington offers.

Moral to the story.....

A properly loaded 9mm is nothing to laugh at. In no way do I feel undergunned with the 9mm... Actually I don't even feel undergunned with the lil 380 and the right bullets.

Shot placement is what really matters anyways..... not tenths of an inch in diameter


‎"When the mind fails to comprehend, the body must be punished" -3rd Battalion,Parris Island
SgtUSMC is offline  
post #16 of 81 (permalink) Old 07-02-2013, 03:23 PM
Diehard Outdoorsman
 
RobOz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Washington Co. P.A.
Posts: 4,537
Back To Top
Re: 9mm vs 40mm

Don't cloud the debate with facts.
RobOz is offline  
post #17 of 81 (permalink) Old 07-02-2013, 03:52 PM
The Man
 
Chaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Slowly Losing Control
Posts: 7,007
Back To Top
Re: 9mm vs 40mm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greene County Tom
9mm or 40mm,which would you chose? found a couple of nice high points and really thinking of getting one.
It would depend on what its primary use would be.

The problem is that I don't know what I don't know.
Chaos is offline  
post #18 of 81 (permalink) Old 07-02-2013, 03:53 PM
Diehard Outdoorsman
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Sullivan County/Texoma
Posts: 3,079
Back To Top
Re: 9mm vs 40mm

No argument that shot placement is always key.

Just making an apple to apple comparison on the round that mfuff suggested.

In reality there are no handgun rounds that are 100% reliable "man stoppers".

Carry what your comfortable with and can shoot well.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. Edmund Burke
pappybear is offline  
post #19 of 81 (permalink) Old 07-02-2013, 04:11 PM
Regular Member
 
Huntered's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Berks Co...5B - 3D
Posts: 1,999
Back To Top
Re: 9mm vs 40mm

I would`nt want to get hit with either one.

Nature can teach us alot.
Huntered is offline  
post #20 of 81 (permalink) Old 07-02-2013, 04:19 PM
Regular Member
 
blueridgehunter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: westmoreland /camp forest county
Posts: 1,514
Back To Top
Re: 9mm vs 40mm

Neither I prefer the 45

live laugh love and hunt hard!

Forest county got to love it!
blueridgehunter is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The HuntingPA.com Outdoor Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome