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Red face need advice on slug barrel

I bought a rifled slug barrel for my 870 express 12 gauge ,which is best to shoot out of it regular slugs or sabots
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bohunr is that a sabot or slug , never heard of them and where can I get some
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bohunr is that a sabot or slug , never heard of them and where can I get some
sorry i was editing my post. they are slugs and shoot just as well out of a rifled barrel as they do a smoothbore. i was looking for my photos:

Brenneke green lightning is the last slug you will ever have to try out of that gun. i will post my testimony to Brenneke as well:

http://www.brennekeusa.com/service/h...fe7df54be80899

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Since you are the Brenneke factory rep for Pennsylvania I just had to tell you that your advice was totally accurate, realistic and honest. I have always wanted to use a slug gun for deer hunting but had always been told that in order to shoot one accurately; I would have to try different brands of slugs to see which one was the most accurate for my shotgun.
I was also told that if I had a smoothbore I would have to use rifled slugs and I would have to use sabots out of a rifled shotgun barrel. My quest for an accurate slug began when I purchased a 12 gauge Remington 870 with a rifled cantilever slug barrel. I asked my friends what they shot, what kind of groups they were getting at what yardage, etc…
I also checked several of the hunting forums on the internet. Basically everyone and every forum told me the same thing; try different brands and different types of slugs that each brand offered. Since I have a rifled barrel I would have to stay with the more expensive sabots as rifled slugs would not be accurate out of my set up. I called Remington, Federal, Winchester, and asked them what sabot shot the best for them in their tests. I thought I would get the best answer from Remington. Each company’s answer was the same: every gun / barrel is different you will have to try different sabots to see which one is the best for your gun.
As you can see, this is going to get expensive real quick. Well I tried different types from each company including Lightfield, that’s 4 companies, different types of sabots and slugs from each one. Not one brand was as accurate as I would have liked even at 50 yards, I was getting 2 to 4inch groups at 50 yards and almost twice that at 100 yards, I didn’t know what to do.
Finally another friend, Pat Baker, suggested “Brenneke”. I called Brenneke, they gave me your number and you were the only person in my quest for an accurate round out of my shotgun that told me what I needed to use from the start. You suggested the Brenneke Green lightning 12 gauge rifled slug out of my rifled barrel, you told me that it would work, I didn’t need an expensive sabot and I should be able to hold a 3 inch group at 100 yards if I did my part, well…..
I placed my trust in what you said and ordered the Green lightning rifled slugs. When I got to the range I couldn’t believe what was happening. The rounds started going where I wanted them to as I was sighting in. I actually passed your expectations of a 3 inch group at 100 yards. I shot a 3 round group at 100 yards that measured 1 x 2 inches that group was a little high so I dialed it down and shot a 2 round group that measured 1 x 1 inch at 100 yards (see photo) I quit shooting after that as I was satisfied and my shoulder had enough for one day.
Let’s fast forward now to the opening day of deer season in Pennsylvania, long story short version. I shot this 17 inch 8 point at 105 paces (see photo) while bracing the shotgun against the side of tree. This buck acted different than the other deer I had shot in the past, it acted like it actually got hit by lightning, (Green Lightning) it was weird and hard to describe but this buck didn’t run, and it didn’t fall over, it was liked it died to fast to do anything but stand there, from what I could see through the scope I swear its eyes were closed finally it toppled over.
I can’t thank you enough for the advice you gave me. I have been telling all my friends and those on several internet hunting forums to save your money, quit searching, and just shoot Brenneke. They work in smoothbore and rifled barrels; I don’t ever plan on switching. Regardless of the weather all my deer are getting hit with lightning, Green lightning from Brenneke.
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forgot to add, you can get them at midway usa

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...-slug-box-of-5


The green protective coating helps to reduce the amount of fouling inside the barrel. In testing, this slug creates a 5-shot group under 2" at 50 yards. These slugs are safe to shoot through rifled or smoothbore shotguns. Penetration is very impressive too!

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thank you bohunr ,I might have not made myself clear in my first post ,but thank for the information
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i was always told that when you buy a slug gun that there was no definitive answer as to what shoots best as every gun is different even if they are the same make and model. i even mentioned that in my testimony to Brenneke.

heck, even Remington couldnt tell me if their own slugs and sabots would shoot well out of my Remington 870 and they test their own products. i called lots of manufacturers and got the same answer. when i called brenneke and spoke with their Rep all he did was ask which shotgun i was using and he told me what i needed and said if they dont group he wants to know about it.

that was the only company that did not hesitate one bit. i even told him i was using a rifled barrel and that i was always told you had to shoot sabots out of it. he said the hard coating on their slugs prevents lead fouling and would leave as much residue as a sabot would.

he was right.

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Foster (regular) slugs are lead and can fould a rifled bore rather quickly (or not).
Sabot slugs have plastic sleeves, that also can foul the bore (may take longer to do it though).

In my rifled 870's I used WW High Impact Supreme slugs (don't think them made anymore).
They were of the older BRI style design.
They shot well and slammed deer.

I'd start w a clean bore, fire a fouler or two and then shoot for group. At 10 shots I'd clean, foulers and then be ready to hunt.
Maybe a bit excessive, but my groups were at 1.5" @100 yds and consistent in point of impact.

I also bought all my slugs from the same lot #.
Not fun when ya get low and need a new supply (bought 10 boxes). They'd last a while, as after a gun was zeroed it was just clean and check next season. But I bought a few different guns LOL.

Had previously a Mossberg 835 w cantilever bbl. That thing had a 3.5" chamber and Lightfield 3.5" slugs were not out yet. I tried a couple 2 3/4 and 3" sabots and they shot horribly. FInally got it to run, after some work............using 3" fosters. I had to polish the rough bore to reduce fouling. Cantilever didn't converge either, but that was a simple bend.

IIRC it was about a 3.5" rig at 100 yds. Yes, that was the best it could do, scoped.

Real simple...............dunno what your rig will do until you test it.

When WW dropped the HI Supremes I sold my gun..........to my hunting bud. He shoots the WW Partitions and says it shoots great.
Rifled bore, sabots.........my last two rifled 870s...........all they shot (did not try fosters).

Shotgun slugs generate some recoil. Often people put cantilever scopes on reg field stock guns, or use funky mounts/rings and cheap scopes. Therefore............if I was a manufacturer...................I too would be leery of recommending one slug as "best" for a gun. Many cannot shoot a slug gun well. Don't need to give them "ammo" for a complaint (that ultimately is nothing but from their faults).
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FWIW the old WW High Impact Supremes were .50 cal.
They looked like the old BRI style of slug, but didn't zip through like they did (brother in law ran the cheaper WW BRI).
Blood trails on the reg BRI ones...............scant at best.

The High Impact Supremes............were just like their name said.
Some deer ran a little ways. Nice red trail to the dead deer.
Some I shot simply crumpled, w double lung hits not close to the spine.
They put 'em down faster than foster slugs did (on avg).
Don't think I shot a deer past 100 with 'em though.

Brother in law didn't like the lack of BT when using cheap/harder slug.
So he switched to shooting deer in the head.
He had the accuracy in his rifled M500.
And he was a cheapskate

Personally, I don't like uglying up my critters so don't do head shots.
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so ,if I understand you guys right I can shoot either slugs or sabots out of it , it's just finding which ones pattern the best out of it
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thats correct. you can spend a ton of money buying all the slugs and sabots to see what patterns best or just call brenneke (I dont own any stock )

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