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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 10-08-2010, 01:40 PM Thread Starter
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Having trouble with a knot

I'm new at this and it may be the cause of all my problems but:

I'm trying to tie a new tapered leader onto my fly line using the nail knot. Everything works well enough but when I go to tighten the line it stripped the rubbery coating off of the fly line leaving only the corded line showing. What am I doing wrong? Am I just pulling the knot too tight? Is there another way of doing this to prevent this from happening?

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Re: Having trouble with a knot


Are you moistening the line as you tighten it? (saliva)
How old is your Fly Line? Too old may be cracked and dryrot.

Here's a link to Grog's Animated Knots.

http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishin...imatedknots.com
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Re: Having trouble with a knot

The line isn't even a year old and seems to be in good condition. I was moistening it as well. I was following that diagram.

I've been having a hard time with this knot since I started fly fishing and it's really starting to get on my nerves. I don't know why I'm having such a hard time with it. I can do all the other knots just fine.
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Re: Having trouble with a knot

Do you have the tool? They make tying a nail knot a 10 second job.

If you are having trouble with the coating of your line slipping off I would try and cut the last 5" off of it and try again, it may just be that the end of the line was water logged from not being sealed at the end. Put a dab of super glue on the end of the fly line when you are finished to seal it back up.

If that doesn't work I think the line may be in bad shape as cowdawg suggested.
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Re: Having trouble with a knot

I'll give that a shot and see.

What tool are you talking about?
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You can buy them at any fly shop for about $6-7. I have also seen them at Dicks and Walmart. It is called the Tie-Fast Knot Tyer

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Re: Having trouble with a knot

I will second the tool. I also recommend using a needle knot. The needle knot is a nail knot applied after feeding the leader material through a tunnel at the end of the fly line.

You create the tunnel by sticking a small sewing needle into the end of the fly line about a half inch and heat the needle with a lighter.

I usually use a piece of mason hard mono .017 diameter about 10 inches long. I hand build the rest of the leader using George Harvey's formulas.

I disagree with the 10 second thing, using the hard mono this knot can be a bear. With practice it becomes possible but never easy to get a nice clean knot. I usually only have to do it once or twice during the life of a line.
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Re: Having trouble with a knot

i do not use the nail knot any more. too many times you get what is happening to you. maybe you have a low quality line. i have found, what i consider, a better method to tie learer to fly line. i start with a lopp knot, perfection loop, in the leader, then tie the flyline to the loop with a basic sheet bend knot. i've caught 25" trout and 30" steelies on this setup.

http://www.tollesburysc.co.uk/Knots/Sheet_bend.htm

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Re: Having trouble with a knot

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i do not use the nail knot any more. too many times you get what is happening to you. maybe you have a low quality line. i have found, what i consider, a better method to tie learer to fly line. i start with a lopp knot, perfection loop, in the leader, then tie the flyline to the loop with a basic sheet bend knot. i've caught 25" trout and 30" steelies on this setup.

http://www.tollesburysc.co.uk/Knots/Sheet_bend.htm
That looks simple enough. I think I may give that a try. I've given up on the nail knot with this line. I'm not sure what the cause is but it's not getting any better. Everything looks fine until I go to tighten the knot. I'm wondering if the leader line is just too thick/stiff at the end as it's very hard to manipulate.

I've decided to use the leader line that comes with a loop and created a small loop in the fly line to attach it to as per the instructions. I'll use this to see how it works out.

If I don't like it I'll try the method mentioned above.

Thanks for all of the help.
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Re: Having trouble with a knot

Loop to loop connections are also very popular and can be the strongest of all possible connections. I just do not like them because my leader is often longer than my rod and that results in the line-leader connection passing through the guides on a regular basis. The loop to loop connections do not pass the guides as well as a needle knot.
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