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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 02-02-2019, 06:10 PM Thread Starter
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White River Trip

In 2003 I took a three day trip to Arkansas to fish the streams there to try to catch some huge trout. I fished the Little Red, Norfolk, and White rivers. Unfortunately the fishing was lousy when I was there. I caught some trout but a lot less than I expected and nothing big. I’ve thought about returning because of the huge trout that are there.

One thing I did not like is almost all the guides I saw, including mine, were fishing. When I’ve been on other trips, the guides didn’t fish. One of my western guides told me that he didn’t think the guide could concentrate on helping his client catch fish if he’s fishing himself. I totally agree.

I wanted to see if anyone in this forum has been on a trip to those rivers in Arkansas, and if so, what your experience was like. Did you have a guide, and if so, were you happy with the guide? Did he or she fish? If you have a recommendation for a guide, I would appreciate it.

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Thats a bucket list trip for me. Very interested to hear what others have to say.
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That’s a bucket list trip for me. Very interested to hear what others have to say.
Most of the trout are stocked rainbows. I much preferred the Little Red and White to the Norfolk. The Norfolk was very crowded.

My trip was in October and the action was off for some reason. Still, it would be great to catch some of the huge brown trout that are there.
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I agree on the huge browns. The White is legendary for them.

Another river I am interested in, is the Sutton river northern Ontario. Very remote and little traffic from what I have found.
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I'm surprised that no one in the forum has fished the Little Red, White, or Norfolk rivers. I was sure someone besides me had been there.

I found lots of guides and I'm going contact a few to see if they fish while they are guiding.

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I found one guide website that says he does not fish to better attend to his clients. I sent emails to a couple other guide services with some questions, whether or not they fish while guiding among them. It will be interesting to see what they say.

For those who have taken guided trips, has it been your experience that the guide fishes while guiding? I don’t count demonstrating techniques as fishing.

I’ve taken guided trips in Arkansas, Idaho, Montana, and in Canada, as well as a couple in PA. The guide we had on the WB Delaware fished, but the others in PA did not. As I said, the AR guide fished, the ones in ID, MT, and Canada did not.

I feel the guide’s role is to help the angler with what his or her goals are for the trip; either to catch a lot of trout, catch big trout, etc. I don’t believe in paying the guide to fish.

What is your opinion?
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I'm with you TT. It seems odd that a guide would fish while guiding clients unless asked to. I guess each situation would be different though. I would be more inclined to invite a guide to fish along side me if he was really trying, engaging in conversation and seemed genuinely happy that his efforts were paying off, as opposed to someone with an unpleasant disposition who cared more about catching his own fish while being paid by me. I've never taken a guided trip, usually just try my best with the limited knowledge base I possess, but if I were to hire a guide, I guess I wouldn't want them to fish unless I asked them to join. Good post TT.
Good luck in your search.
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I ve fished all those rivers but guided myself, Ive fished them probably 20 times but have never used a boat . Basically wade fish when there not generating. Me personally would not use a guide and we catch plenty of fish. plus you can stay at cabins along North Fork. If they are generating you can always go to the Spring river and fish. The top bait to use there is a Nightcrawler, you will catch so many fish with them you don t have to use anything else. I don t normally use them only on those rivers. I fish fly rod and minnows every where else but there. Ive tried minnows there but not that great a few but nothing like a nightcrawler. Used joe flies spinners also same results
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I've never fished there but I have taken guided fly fishing floats on a number of western rivers and not one of the guides has fished.
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I’ve fished all those rivers but guided myself. I’ve fished them probably 20 times but have never used a boat. Basically wade fish when they’re not generating. Me personally would not use a guide and we catch plenty of fish. Plus you can stay at cabins along North Fork. If they are generating you can always go to the Spring river and fish. The top bait to use there is a night crawler; you will catch so many fish with them you don’t have to use anything else. I don’t normally use them; only on those rivers. I fish fly rod and minnows everywhere else but there. I’ve tried minnows there but not that great; a few but nothing like a nightcrawler. Used Joe’s Flies and spinners also same results
Thanks for replying. I’m glad you’ve done well there. If I go back my focus will be on catching big trout rather than numbers of them. I like to use guides for trips like that since I don’t know the river obviously as well as the guide and I would want to fish from a boat and cover a lot of water. I could see foregoing the guide if you’re already familiar with the rivers.
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