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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 05-31-2018, 08:30 AM Thread Starter
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Tap into your reserves ?

Ok, most of us know that the PFBC needs a license increase, that's not disputed. Some of us also know that the legislators refuse to grant an increase, as long as Arway remains the Director. It's also not disputed that Arway made a mistake by stating he will close a couple hatcheries, in order to meet the 2 million dollar cut that the commissioners are asking the PFBC to make. Those hatcheries he chose, are in the region of legislators not willing to grant a license increase. NOW, it is said that the PFBC has 60 million in "reserve". What is that money ear-marked for ? Emergencies ? Is it an "emergency", that hatcheries are going to fold up, unless more money is received ? Let's face it, stocking programs, and fish rearing, are the PFBC's bread and butter. Without it, they're kaput. Why not tap into some of the reserve money, and keep the hatcheries up and viable ? At least until Arway is out, and the rats grant a license increase.


To be honest, I've questioned some of his decisions in the past. I'm sure his heart is in the right place, but some leadership decisions were lacking on his part. I believe he said some years ago, that he was NOT for a license increase, as the result typically means less license buyers. Then there was the $1 off a license, in hopes of recruiting/retaining more fisherman. What person is going to base a purchase decision, on a $1 savings ? THAT resulted in the loss of nearly 1 million dollars. THAT would have went a ways in supplementing hatchery costs.

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The GC also has a reserve, it's called an Escrow account. About 10Million. The legislators also have a slush account. Everybody has a backup but we don't talk about it.

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The GC also has a reserve, it's called an Escrow account. About 10Million. The legislators also have a slush account. Everybody has a backup but we don't talk about it.
Huh? I work with government accounting and this makes no sense. A reserve and escrow are not at all the same thing. Could you cite sources?
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The PFBC has been cutting stockings of warm water fish for the last 20 yrs.... nobody has batted an eye. I'm sure Arway mentioned closing hatcheries BUT I doubt he mentioned cutting stocking in "certain" districts as revenge. One of the main critics is a guy from S. Berks county(no hatchery here). Also it would be a nightmare for the guys driving the stocking trucks since districts are not defined by county lines. Do you stock creek "A" up to a district line - suppose it exits the "bad" district and re enters a "good" district.

I have no idea what the PFBC plans on using the "reserve" for .... BUT I imagine that they will hold onto it untill they need to use it for payroll, benifits and operating costs...... Maybe if they got their fee increase they could spend some of the "reserve" on boat ramps and other property issue's that need to be addressed soon.

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I'm sure Arway mentioned closing hatcheries BUT I doubt he mentioned cutting stocking in "certain" districts as revenge.

He most certainly did. He has apologized for doing so, and has since said it was a bad move, or something to that effect. It's not a secret as his admittance to doing it, and subsequent apology has been widely publicized and in recent articles. I can cite PON Vol. 15, No 8 April 13, 2018 issue as one instance. It's the leading story on Page 1, and the admittance to drawing the map, and his apology, can be found on Page 21 as a continuance of the article.

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I have no idea what the PFBC plans on using the "reserve" for .... BUT I imagine that they will hold onto it untill they need to use it for payroll, benifits and operating costs......

Operating costs. Such as the cost to operate and maintain hatcheries. The PFBC bread and butter operation......... BY FAR.

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Looks like the PFBC budget for 2018-19 is $58.6M while revenue is estimated to be only $48.1M. So if true they are running a $10.5M deficit right now. That means the reserve fund would last about 5 years. Seems to me they could keep things at current levels for a couple more years and see if they get their license increase. They'd still have a $30-$40M cushion.
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Even a $2 license fee increase would go a long way, and how many people would refuse to buy a license which they normally do over a $2 hike.
The whole thing is a mess and just doesn't add up.

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I agree that they need an increase, but I cant not support it until all PFBC employees are removed from defined pension plans and offered 401 (k) plans like the rest of the real world.
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And a lot of those reserves will end up being used to support pension obligations that were unsustainable in the long term.
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