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post #1 of 15 (permalink) Old 10-15-2019, 06:19 PM Thread Starter
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.50 Renegade flinter.

Had to happen! On the spur of the moment, I bought an early model Renegade .50 flintlock. She looked really good, with a tight lock and good unset pull.
The bore was dirty, but not fouled. When I got her home, She patched a touch orange. There's one spot of pitting, but the rest looked good.
She rams like a cobblestone street though. Numerous tight and loose spots.
Ugh.
I JB'd the daylights out of her, but she's still a tough ram.
With 70 gr of 3f Swiss and a .490 ball, it tried .015 and .018 patches. Numerous tears and a couple blown patches. Groups were generally 3 inches or better. A few were ok though. Range was 50 yards.
I tried some .010 patches, expecting worse results but low and behold 3 rounders at 50 were 1 /5/16 to 1 5/8!
The tight/ loose spots can still be felt, but not nearly as bad.
This Renegade is something. I shoot it better than any other flintlock I've tried.
The bore is frustrating and after flintlock season I'm planning on having her rebored/ rifled to .54 for ball.
Never thought I'd be successful with the flint. Pays to not give up!
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post #2 of 15 (permalink) Old 10-15-2019, 07:05 PM
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Polish that bore with a jag and 0000 steel wool (ONLY) and oil.She will polish right up and be a shooter if it doesn't have a ringed barrel or damaged crown.Tighter patches give cleaner burn like the rings on a piston.Might try .495 RB also. Had some like FFFg and some like FFg.Generally the 50's like FFg with 80 gr being common ground.That FFFg Swiss is pretty fast burning. Groups less than 1 1/2" are common.

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Did the steel wool, even put some valve grinding compound on a tight leather patch and had at it. It did smooth some, but nothing short of a full lap will even it out. TC rifling is shallow enough as it is...
I believe part of the problem was the lube getting squeezed out of the patch. I was swabbing with rubbing alcohol and ramming was miserable with .015s. Been using Bore Butter patches to swab and it really helped. But the .010s surprised me.
If she's to be a ball gun, I think a .54 is a great choice.
Gotta keep at it though. Flintlock shooting is a perishable skill.
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Bob Hoyt can take it out to 54 and give you a good twist. I just got one done in a 1/ 38 twist for conicals. He does good work and has good rates.
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That's who I was thinking of. One of his radius grooved rebored. I'm thinking of staying 1-48 but groove depth for patched ball. Had a bad experience with a Green Mountain .50 cal slow twist. To even get reasonable groups, it was a powder piggy. I don't want/ need to pour 110 grains down bore. 70-90 is fine and a 1-48 will do nicely.
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Good morning Muddly! A 1:48 twist in a 45 cal will do an acceptable job using a patched ball, and in a 50 cal it truely is a "comprimise twist", many guns shooting conical or ball with it. In a 54cal a round ball twist is around 1:60- 1:70.

Before you get the Renegade rebored, (not a bad idea from what I read), try this:
put the powder down bore, then a shooting patch all the way down to the charge. Putting it downbore so far as the short starter allows will work too. The idea is to help stop the hole in the patch on the ball from letting gases by and killing accuracy.
Now, load whichever patched ball you've found most accurate and try it. Yup, extra patch over the charge. Some guns that put holes in patches shoot fine with this arrangement. Read about it in a Blackpowder Manual written by Sam Fadala, and darned if it didn't work!

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Thanks for the tip! Was thinking about a wool wad too. Don't have any at the moment, but old pre lubed patches I do.
I definately want to keep her for ball. I have my Firehawk for bullet and sabot.
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It may not be the rough bore that's causing you as many problems. Way back when we only had access to the stuff shops kept around for us... I always thought it was more of an afterthought so they didn't have to listen to us complain, I used whatever I could find for patches. One time I ran across a pack of .010 patches and didn't have a choice. They loaded so much nicer in my TC. I checked it with three other guns(all with good bores) and found the same thing you did, they load easier and shoot better. I always chalked it up to the TC's having a tighter bore.

As a side note. You may want to just shoot the snot out of that thing. My one gun had some pitting when I first got it. With a lot of shooting, diligent cleaning and lube it cleaned it's act up. By the time I sold it to get on the longrifle boat you would have never guessed there was anything wrong with the bore.
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Flintlock hunter... so this would be similar to guys putting rolled up pieces of hornets nest on top of the powder, then the patched ball? I've read of this before and it is supposed to keep the powder from burning the patch? Much easier that trying to find hornets nests too..!!
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Flintlock hunter... so this would be similar to guys putting rolled up pieces of hornets nest on top of the powder, then the patched ball? I've read of this before and it is supposed to keep the powder from burning the patch? Much easier that trying to find hornets nests too..!!
Yes Sir! That idea with the hornets nest was the original way Fadala penned it, but he added that the same result might be had with a second patch as well.

Not only can a hornets nest be difficult for some to find, but I understand the winged critters get a mite testy if they're still living in it.

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