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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-17-2018, 06:03 PM Thread Starter
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Is this Legal?

I am currently in a debate. I am told that the type of pistol shown below, in .45 caliber is legal for small game if loaded with birdshot. It started with a guy posting pictures with his rabbit kill and I questioned the legality of small game hunting with a .45 round ball or projectile, he stated that he is not using a round ball or single projectile to hunt rabbits with this pistol..he loads it with birdshot..He goes on to state it is legal if loaded with bird shot. What do you guys think?
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From small game regs in "The Book"

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Arms & Ammunition
1) Manually operated and semiautomatic 10-gauge or less shotguns with a capacity of no more than 3 shells in the
chamber and magazine combined;

2) Manually operated and semi-automatic rifles and manually operated handguns 22-caliber rimfire or less;

3) Air-guns for small game in calibers from .177 to .22, for woodchucks at least 22-caliber, that propel a single-projectile or bullet. BB ammunition is prohibited.

4) Muzzleloading rifles and handguns 40-caliber or less, and shotguns 10-gauge or less; and 5) long, recurve and compound bows and arrows, and crossbows. Single-projectile ammunition, or fine shot pellets no larger than No. 4 lead, bismuth-tin, or tungsten-iron, or other approved non-toxic shot or No. 2 steel.

Note: Rifle and handgun caliber restrictions do not apply when hunting woodchucks.
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Yes, but the guy is debating that it is legal because it is now a shotgun under 10ga. when loaded with birdshot..I copied and pasted the same regs. but he is insisting it is legal if used as a shotgun for small game.
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post #4 of 25 (permalink) Old 01-17-2018, 07:02 PM
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I believe the PGC is the place to get an interpretation rather than a message board since they are the folks that enforce the law.

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not really any different than carrying my trade gun for small game. is it a .62 caliber rifle or a 20 gauge shotgun? I would say both, however the way it is loaded and the ammo you are carrying is what makes the difference. also, good luck getting any kind of pattern out of it with rifling in it, the rabbits better be REAL CLOSE!
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Often the rifling will "Sling" the shot and give oblong patterns.Thats OK if what your shooting at is in the oval.
They might consitter it a rifle because of the rifled barrel.

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PA code ss 141.22 lists the following muzzle loaders as legal for small game: 1. muzzle loading shotguns 2. muzzle loading rifles and handguns w/ .40 cal or less single projectile ammunition.

I believe this would disallow the above pistol due to 1. by legal definition a shotgun has a smooth bore. 2. the section allowing handguns specifies single projectile ammo must be used

But as Woods Walker advised, I would get PGC clarification before going afield with the pistol, and I would request that in writtting and carry afield with me.

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we went through this same thing a few years ago with the T/C Contender made in .410/45 Colt for rabbit hunting. the general thought was to only carry shot shells with it and go hunting. I don't think anyone ever did get a clear answer on it. kinda related: I always wondered about carrying the smooth bore for Pa elk if I ever got drawn. is it a 20 gauge shotgun or is it a .62 cal rifle?
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we went through this same thing a few years ago with the T/C Contender made in .410/45 Colt for rabbit hunting. the general thought was to only carry shot shells with it and go hunting. I don't think anyone ever did get a clear answer on it. kinda related: I always wondered about carrying the smooth bore for Pa elk if I ever got drawn. is it a 20 gauge shotgun or is it a .62 cal rifle?
Just asking: if it's a smooth bore it's a musket isn't it?
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Just asking: if it's a smooth bore it's a musket isn't it?
not sure how that would be looked at???
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