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trekking along the App trail.

In the last 24 hours I realized under reg 135.42, it is legal to camp on SGL's along the App trail, provided you enter and leave at different points. Must overnight within 200 feet of the trail and can't stay on a site more than one night. Reg 135.41 permits folks to have both warming fires and cooking fires, provided that the fires are in a safe area, attended at all times and extinguished completely before leaving. It appears that some overnight trekking opportunities are available. Imagine some yuppie hiker coming across a group of grizzled 18th century types along the trail.
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Re: trekking along the App trail.

i have a chace to go back to vermont for a 60mile trek this fall iam thinking hard

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Re: trekking along the App trail.

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In the last 24 hours I realized under reg 135.42, it is legal to camp on SGL's along the App trail, provided you enter and leave at different points. Must overnight within 200 feet of the trail and can't stay on a site more than one night. Reg 135.41 permits folks to have both warming fires and cooking fires, provided that the fires are in a safe area, attended at all times and extinguished completely before leaving. It appears that some overnight trekking opportunities are available. Imagine some yuppie hiker coming across a group of grizzled 18th century types along the trail.
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§ 135.42. Appalachian Trail.
(a) Scope. This section regulates through hikers who camp overnight on State Game Lands within the corridor of the trail.

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Re: trekking along the App trail.

That's right RWJ. did you read the definition of through hiker?? apparently not!

it requires entry and exit at different spots. Not a problem. Enter at high bridge to the trail and leave the trail to exit at cold springs. entry point different than exit. definition met.

(1) Public access area—An area where the public enters or exits the trail on game lands.

4) Through hikers—Persons walking the trail from a beginning area to an exit area on the trail which is not the place of beginning.

Kind of misleading to just cite the first sentence don't you think?

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Re: trekking along the App trail.

you just keep giving people bad advice, and if you ever become a real attorney you can defend them.

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Re: trekking along the App trail.

bad how? Explain it to us. How is it that a hunter can't meet the definition of through hiker in the regulation?

Under the language of the regulation they can.

Why would you give bad advice?

And the wise crack? Typical remark to resort to when you can't rebut the issue in a rational fashion.

So once again, show the advice is bad by explaining how a hunter can't possibly meet the definition of through hiker.

Here's your chance to show that what I said was wrong.
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Re: trekking along the App trail.

zimm, is your group going to stay on the trail when not camping overnight?

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<a href="http://www.nps.gov/appa/parkmgmt/upload/Hunting%20Press%20Release-2.doc" target="_blank">For Immediate Release

HUNTING, WEAPON, AND ATV PROHIBITIONS ON APPALACHIAN NATIONAL SCENIC TRAIL LANDS


Harpers Ferry, West Virginia- Hunters are reminded that hunting, weapons possession, and use of off-road vehicles including ATVs and motorcycles are prohibited on National Park Service (NPS) lands acquired for the protection of the Appalachian National Scenic Trail. Hikers and other recreational users are advised to wear hunter orange vests and caps during hunting seasons to increase their visibility on state or federal lands where hunting is allowed.

Maps that show the NPS lands where hunting is prohibited are available for viewing at the Appalachian Trail Park Office, Civil War Museum Building, High Street, Harpers Ferry, West Virginia, (304) 535-6278; and at Appalachian Trail Conference Regional Offices in Lyme, New Hampshire, (603) 795-4935; Boiling Springs, Pennsylvania, (717) 258-5771; and Blacksburg, Virginia, (540) 961-5551.

XXXXX

Robert W. Gray
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Harpers Ferry Center
Harpers Ferry WV 25425
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Prepared June 29, 2011

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So unless specifically authorized to hunt by law - say a reservation of hunting rights when the land was sold to the NPS - hunting is illegal on the AT.


However, on the strip of land the NPS owns, they have rules allowing camping. They control the AT - they set the rules. That the AT might be leased or be a right of way from the GC means nothing. There is a legal agreement with the terms and conditions of use. The NPS must have the ability to camp amonst those provisions. Clearly, both the GC and the NPS say you can indeed camp on GL under certain rules.

However, The NPS doesn't allow hunting. Not sure a hunting camp would fit the bill of either agencies rules.


Then we have this from the NPS:


Firearms Information


New Firearm Regulations for the National Park Service

As of February 22, 2010, a new federal law allows people who can legally possess firearms under applicable federal, state, and local laws, to legally possess firearms on portions of the Appalachian National Scenic Trail.

This applies to:


This only applies to lands owned by the U.S. Government and managed by the National Park Service, Appalachian Trail Park Office. This includes 428 miles of trail, 25 % of the trail’s length in 9 of the 14 trail states.

This does not apply to:

This does not apply to the Appalachian Trail located on lands owned and managed by the more than 90 other federal, state and local agencies. This includes 1747 miles of trail, 80 % of the trails length across all 14 states. Rules and regulations on these lands are determined by the individual agencies.

Please note:


The Appalachian National Scenic Trail, a unit of the national park system, is administered by the National Park Service, Appalachian Trail Park Office. The Appalachian Trail spans 2,179 miles across lands administered by 6 other national parks, 8 National Forests, 1 National Wildlife Refuge, and 75 other federal, state, and local agencies. Each one of these agencies has their own rules and regulations which contributes to the complexity of legally carrying a firearm on the Appalachian Trail.

It is the responsibility of visitors to understand and comply with all applicable state, local, and federal firearms laws before visiting the Appalachian Trail.

What has not changed:

The use of weapons are still prohibited on Appalachian Trail National Park Service lands


Hunting is still prohibited on Appalachian Trail National Park Service lands


Firearms are still prohibited inside National Park Service federal facilities


http://www.nps.gov/appa/parkmgmt/fir...nformation.htm

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Re: trekking along the App trail.

Basically, when the AT is on State Forest or Game Lands, hunting is allowed. Where the AT is privately owned through purchasing the land, like the corridor from Boiling Springs to the mountain north of Carlisle, hunting is not allowed.
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Re: trekking along the App trail.

Through hikers leave the trail for scenic detours and supplies all the time. The green point store and post office in Northern Lebanon county was one of the big departure points for folks to come off the trail to get supplies.
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