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Only 1 cub killed in all of Northwest PA last year

I took a quick look at the 2011 Bear Harvest Age Data for the Northwest region. From what I can see there were a total of 304 bears killed in Butler, Clarion, Crawford, Forest, Jefferson, Mercer, Venango, Warren. Out of those 304 bears, only one "cub" (less than a year old) was killed. The other 303 bears were at least 1yr 10 months old. I'm trying to understand why this is the case. Some of my thoughts are:
1) Mothers with cubs have already denned?
2) Hunters are choosing not to shoot cubs?
3) Hunters are shooting cubs, but are not taking them to the check stations?
4) The age reporting is somehow flawed?

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Re: Only 1 cub killed in all of Northwest PA last year

I know where I hunted bear last year food was hard to come by in the way of mast, and I think some of the bears had denned up early.

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Re: Only 1 cub killed in all of Northwest PA last year

Age reports are probobly incorrect...I know of a sow with three cubs that were 40 pounds all killed by dutchmen.
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Re: Only 1 cub killed in all of Northwest PA last year

I honesly think it would be fairly easy for biologists working the stations, to determine if a bear is < 1 year. That said, I'd think one of your other choices.

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Re: Only 1 cub killed in all of Northwest PA last year

I worked one for over 10 years. It takes about 3 seconds when looking at the teeth to determine a juvenile from an adult. I'm certain it was no fault of the biologists at the stations. Possibly somehow a data entry error, but I doubt that as well.

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Re: Only 1 cub killed in all of Northwest PA last year

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I took a quick look at the 2011 Bear Harvest Age Data for the Northwest region. From what I can see there were a total of 304 bears killed in Butler, Clarion, Crawford, Forest, Jefferson, Mercer, Venango, Warren. Out of those 304 bears, only one "cub" (less than a year old) was killed. The other 303 bears were at least 1yr 10 months old. I'm trying to understand why this is the case. Some of my thoughts are:
1) Mothers with cubs have already denned?
2) Hunters are choosing not to shoot cubs?
3) Hunters are shooting cubs, but are not taking them to the check stations?
4) The age reporting is somehow flawed?

What are your thoughts?
This report is for hunters who harvested a bear to check the age of their bear.

I donít think the age data on the web site even shows cubs in most cases. I believe the posted age data is only for bears that had a tooth extracted and sent out to be aged. Most cubs are noted as cubs at the time of examination at the check station so no further report is needed for the hunter to know the age of his/her bear.

Therefore, I don't think this report accurately reflects the harvesting of cubs.

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Re: Only 1 cub killed in all of Northwest PA last year

your right RSB i shot a juvenile a few years back and it was not aged

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Re: Only 1 cub killed in all of Northwest PA last year

Correct, they don't pull teeth from juveniles, so they wouldn't show up. Im guessing the ones that are on there were pulled and sent in if there was doubt as to whether it was a juvenile or not. I think there is even a blurb in the age data section that says the info is only for bears that had a tooth pulled.

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Re: Only 1 cub killed in all of Northwest PA last year

R.S.B. - Thanks for the information. Now I can see that the report is only for those bear's having a tooth pulled for an age check.

The one 10 month old bear in the report weighed 90 pounds (actual live weight). Because of its size it probably didn't look like a juvenile and thus the tooth may have been pulled for verification.
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Re: Only 1 cub killed in all of Northwest PA last year

They don't use size to determine if it's an adult or not. They look at the canine teeth to see if they are fully erupted. If the teeth appeared to be fully erupted, and it was that big, they may have pulled a tooth just to be sure. I can remeber one year we had a mature sow in that weighed 89 lbs dressed, and the next truck had a juvenile boar that weighed 109 dressed. Just going on size alone, that report would have been inaccurate. Looking at the teeth left no doubt though.

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