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post #11 of 84 (permalink) Old 01-02-2019, 09:31 PM
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Guess I'll finally be buying an in-line.


I listened to the discussion on you-tube and it's a bit scary two of the commissioners actually verbalize they don't care about the data or facts that Ternent will present in January regarding the current population, etc, they just want to whack bears. The one commissioner is basing his opinion on the six sets of bears tracks on a SGL his brother saw one day this season so he doesn't want to hear any actual research or data.


I love to bear hunt, so I'm not rooting for a huge reduction in the bear population as I find it hard enough to find one as it is, but will adapt to whatever they come up with. It would certainly be fun if the resource can support it.
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post #12 of 84 (permalink) Old 01-02-2019, 09:36 PM
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I listened to the discussion on you-tube and it's a bit scary two of the commissioners actually verbalize they don't care about the data or facts that Ternent will present in January regarding the current population, etc, they just want to whack bears. The one commissioner is basing his opinion on the six sets of bears tracks on a SGL his brother saw one day this season so he doesn't want to hear any actual research or data.
It is pretty scary if that's what the commissioner is basing his decision on. There was a time when I thought they listened to the biologists too much. Now I'm not sure they listen enough on some of these issues. I would be in favor of an early ML bear season, but I'm not certain that jumping right in on an entire weeklong season is the right step. A 3 day season to start, see what happens, and adjust from there would suit me better.
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I would rather see bear season extended during rifle (any weapon) season. I think all these special weapons seasons before the general rifle season only divides hunters.
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post #14 of 84 (permalink) Old 01-03-2019, 11:56 AM
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I support whatever season they come up with to reduce the population. However, my only concern would be hunters chosing to use poor quality bullets for bear with little to no chance of a follow-up shot.

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I support whatever season they come up with to reduce the population. However, my only concern would be hunters chosing to use poor quality bullets for bear with little to no chance of a follow-up shot.
My initial thoughts are that any projectile shot from a M\L being .50 caliber or greater should do the job. Roundballs for flinters go as follows:

.45--128gr.
.50--177gr.
.54--234gr.
.58--270gr.

The 45 caliber may be on the light side, but from .50 caliber and up should work fine.

And using an in-line, most .50 caliber saboted bullets of 200gr and up shoot well and with 400+gr weight, those would be very effective.

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why do they want to add so much time to bear season? did they over browse their area ? did all those tracks in the snow scare that guy ?


we dont have enough bears to sustain an increase in harvest that all the additional time will add. we have more deer than bear and thats the excuse people use for adding Sundays and starting an earlier season or adding buck for flinters in October ?


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My initial thoughts are that any projectile shot from a M\L being .50 caliber or greater should do the job. Roundballs for flinters go as follows:

.45--128gr.
.50--177gr.
.54--234gr.
.58--270gr.

The 45 caliber may be on the light side, but from .50 caliber and up should work fine.

And using an in-line, most .50 caliber saboted bullets of 200gr and up shoot well and with 400+gr weight, those would be very effective.

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Would you trust potentially shooting a large bear with a powerbelt for example? I wouldn't. I've seen multiple times firsthand how they have failed to perform on a 100 pound deer and can only envision what they'll do to a large bear.

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It is pretty scary if that's what the commissioner is basing his decision on. There was a time when I thought they listened to the biologists too much. Now I'm not sure they listen enough on some of these issues. I would be in favor of an early ML bear season, but I'm not certain that jumping right in on an entire weeklong season is the right step. A 3 day season to start, see what happens, and adjust from there would suit me better.
The bear discussion starts at the 11:50 mark in part 2 of the Dec. meeting.


It's worth the listen IMO.
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You can buy way better bullets then ones you listed check out Leigh bullets, Parker, Pittman, fury, and the whole Tez line of bullets
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Would you trust potentially shooting a large bear with a powerbelt for example? I wouldn't. I've seen multiple times firsthand how they have failed to perform on a 100 pound deer and can only envision what they'll do to a large bear.

I tried powerbelts years ago. That's a "projectile" that I wouldn't recommend to anyone for anything.

For bear, big 'n heavy is the ticket. Lead, or a quality partition bullet will do the job. Hey....if a 30-06 with a 220gr. bullet will do the job, so will a 405gr. zipping along at 1,500fps.
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