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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 09-04-2012, 08:06 PM Thread Starter
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444 rounds?

Just recently acquired a 444. I was thinking of using the Leverevolution rounds in 265gr. However, I'm slightly hesitent because I had very poor results using those hornady round from my 1894 in 44mag. They just woundn't group well. Then I've "heard" it has something to do with Marlins micro-grooved barrels and those rounds

Anybody have any good input on 444 rounds for a Marlin 444S?
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265 grain hornady. 47 grains of h4198. Mine shoots incredible for a lever gun.Had the trigger tweeked to.

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I don't reload (YET). Seems more ppl are reloading 444 rounds with better success when it comes to off the shelf ammo.
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Re: 444 rounds?

The Hornady leverevolution rounds shoot well in my Marlin 45-70 and in my Ruger.45 Colt Blackhawk.




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I always thought the 444 was loaded with bullets that are just too short for rifle shooting range. The 45-70 which is just slightly larger is often loaded with long 400 to 500 grain bullets. The shortest 45-70 commercial bullet that I have experience with, is the Federal 310 grain and it starts to destabilize past 125 yds.

It gets a velocity boost over the 44 mag but according to Barnes' Cartridges of the World is still only a short to medium range cartridge. The leverevolution bullet reduces air drag over the old hollow point and flat point bullets, but it is still a very short bullet for it's diameter.
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Re: 444 rounds?

Had a 444 Marlin for years (the original 24" bbl version). Shot very well with 200gr XTPs and 200gr SJHP Speers from about 25 years ago. Sold it, forget the charge of IMR 4198, think it was 46 or 47 grs?

Scoped it one year to see how accurate it could shoot rested @ 100yds. Generally two would be touching, the third shot almost touching the first two. Killed several deer with it (one scoped, others w/Williams peep), no problems. Pretty much de-lung a deer at 80 yards, which is about the farthest I ever dropped one with that rifle.

Rifle was heavy enough that recoil was neglibible with those loads. IIRC, the originals had Micro-Groove barrels, but they later went to Ballard-type rifling in them?

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I use the Leverev's in my .444 and .45-70. Love them!
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Re: 444 rounds?

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Just recently acquired a 444. I was thinking of using the Leverevolution rounds in 265gr. However, I'm slightly hesitent because I had very poor results using those hornady round from my 1894 in 44mag. They just woundn't group well. Then I've "heard" it has something to do with Marlins micro-grooved barrels and those rounds

Anybody have any good input on 444 rounds for a Marlin 444S?
I've had good luck shooting the old-style Hornady 265gr. FP in my 444S (Micro-Groove barrel) with a charge of 46 or 47 grs. of IMR4198. I have not tried the new style Leverevolution bullet in mine.

Typical 100 yard group


265 gr.


Ballard vs. Micro-Groove rifling from Marlinownersforum:
http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/33...ro-groove.html

Contrary to popular belief, I was able to develop light bullet loads for my rifle with reduced charges and lead bullets.

reduced lead loads @ 25 yds.
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Looks and "sounds" kinda familiar?

I'd miss my old 444 if the 1950s vintage 336SC in 35 Rem. didn't shoot just like it. It now wears the Williams sight that used to be on the 444.

Marlin lever rifles are capable of some pretty dandy groups, in my experiences with them. Years ago a coworker wanted a new rifle for his son to hunt with and was going to buy a new M94 in 30-30. Kmart had them on sale, along with M336 Marlins, but the Marlin was also available in 35 Rem.

Talked him into the Marlin in 35 Rem. primarily because he already had an old M94 in 32 Win. Special and that cartridge and the 30-30 are very easy to get mixed up.

He couldn't get over how accurate that new Marlin was with 200gr Core Lokts. He wound up making his kid hunt with the old M94 and claimed the Marlin as his own. Far as I know, he still hunts deer with it?

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Setter what don't you shoot? LOL

I've been considering 300gr Buffalo Bore JFN. I would like to use this for bear.
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