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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 08-14-2012, 12:16 AM Thread Starter
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.40 WCF

since I missed the 32wcf by so far what is a .40 wcf?

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post #2 of 11 (permalink) Old 08-14-2012, 12:33 AM
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Re: .40 WCF

uh, non-existant??

sure you don't mean a 44 wcf which would be a 44/40 or 38 wcf which is a 38/40? or a 40 s&w which is a modern pistol cartridge?

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Re: .40 WCF

My gun library is at the office. I am not aware of a 40 WCF. there was a 44-40 which was known as the 44 WCF and a 38-40 which was known as the 38 WCF. The 38 however is a misnomer and is actually a .401 diameter bullet. There was a 40-65 introduced by Winchester in the late 1880's but it was simply a necked down 45-70 case. There were a few odd 40 caliber Sharps cases. The 40-50 Sharps BN (bottle neck and the 40-50 SS (Sharps straight.) Then a longer 40-70 and 40-90, a 40-72 also.

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Re: .40 WCF

Even the list for the reloading tool picture I posted under the 32WCF thread lists no 40WCF.
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Re: .40 WCF

relooked at the gun and it is a .44wcf not .40, need new glasses I guess-- thanks

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The 44-40 is a slightly bottlenecked cartridge that was probably more popular than the 45 colt. Both pistols and lever rifles were available in 44-40. There was a 44-40 shot cartridge and a strange 44-40 XL, about which little is known.
It was the cartridge for most of the Duke's western movie guns. (He used a model 92 Winchester in many movies portraying periods before the 1890's.) although the cartridge was introduced for the 1873 Winchester. It was so popular that colt began immediately chambering it in their peacemakers. The Colt Lightning slide action was available in this cartridge. The cartridge was also adopted by Spain for use by it's colonial police and civil guard units. Remington and Whitney made single shot rifles in that cartridge for Spanish Colonies.

According to Barnes' Cartridges of the World, the 44-40 can be a better short range brush cartridge than the 30-30. (I always found the factory loads to be very anemic.)

Just for fun, my daughter and I load 44-40's with very slow burning rifle powder (4198) for my Puma lever gun (a Brazilian model 92 clone) and it is very accurate and the recoil seems less than with black powder loads. I have punched a few holes in wood chucks with it without pass through.

If you go about reloading it, be wary of the bullet size. Some will try to sell you .429 bullets and technically they should be .427 (or even .426 in some guns). Since the case wall at the case mouth is sort of thin, trying to load 429's will crinkle/ruin a lot of cases. If you have a lubrisizer, you can resize lead 429 bullets down to .427.
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Re: .40 WCF

Heres what they look like, a few original 44 WCF. I found these rounds in southern Nevada. They have marks clearly showing they were chambered in a rifle, but never fired.

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Re: .40 WCF

did they ever make a 46wcf??
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Winchester experimented with a 46 cal. for the 1886 rifle. There is reliable documentation that only one gun was so chambered. A very limited number of rounds were made, no one knows how many. These rounds are a cartridge collectors holy grail, I have never seen one. The project was scrapped. Many people beleive that Doug Turnbull based his propriatery cartridge, the 475 Turnbull, in part on Winchesters old information, no one knows that for sure but him. So technically yes, they made one gun and a few shells.

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Re: .40 WCF

Not certain.......but I thought the .40-60 Win was dubbed the .40 WCF

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