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1896 3/40 Krag Rifle Load

Do any of you fellas know what the orginal load for this rifle was in 1896? I am trying re-produce it minus the older powder they used then

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Re: 1896 3/40 Krag Rifle Load

I believe the spec's were a 220gr RN bullet to 2000fps.

I load a 180gr Hornady RN with IMR3031 to about 2000-2100fps. Mild load, easy on the barrel's throat.....

They tried to push to 2200 on the 220's and I believe bolt lugs started cracking.
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Re: 1896 3/40 Krag Rifle Load

In the rifle they did reach 2,000 fps with the 220 but the carbine only did about 1,900 fps.
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Re: 1896 3/40 Krag Rifle Load

Best to slug the barrel (could run from .306 to .3125)
DO check the bolt lugs. Any hair line crack - wall hanger.
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Re: 1896 3/40 Krag Rifle Load

Thanks guys

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Re: 1896 3/40 Krag Rifle Load

I've often wondered how it would have went if we would have responded to The Span-Amer war and our service rifles shortcomings the same way Britain responded to theirs after the Boer War. Like us Britain was outgunned by 7X57 Mausers because of the spitzer bullets of the 7mm's while Britain was flinging 215 grain round nose bullets at the Boers. That and the charger clip feeding that the Mauser's had going for them. Britains response was a 174 grain spitzer for their .303 (which carried them through two world wars) and a overhaul and restyle of the Mark 1 Enfield into the No.3 Mk.1 Enfield. The new SMLE and it's 174 grain spitzer MK. VII load proved to be a winning combination. If we would have followed suit and designed a new rifle but went with something akin to a 174 grain spitzer for our .30-40 Krag cartridge I believe it would have worked just fine for us too. But the .30-40's loss is my gain because it prompted the US gov't in 1906 to introduce my favorite cartridge of all time.
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Re: 1896 3/40 Krag Rifle Load

The Krag action, while butter-smooth, could not handle much more heat than the 30-40 delivered. That was why there was a move to a Mauser-styled action (M1903). When trying to "hot rod" the Krag, they cracked bolt lugs, which is bad juju. I have read that a clip-feeding system was devised to be used on the Krag, but it was unnecessary when the cartridge could not be brought to the ballistic potential desired.

My 1896 Krag is probably my favorite of my milsurps (and that is not a typo, I have an M1896 Krag that was rebarreled at some point (has a 1902 rear sight, probably rebarreled and stored). It is a GREAT shooter and fun, too!
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Re: 1896 3/40 Krag Rifle Load

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The Krag action, while butter-smooth, could not handle much more heat than the 30-40 delivered. That was why there was a move to a Mauser-styled action (M1903). When trying to "hot rod" the Krag, they cracked bolt lugs, which is bad juju. I have read that a clip-feeding system was devised to be used on the Krag, but it was unnecessary when the cartridge could not be brought to the ballistic potential desired.

My 1896 Krag is probably my favorite of my milsurps (and that is not a typo, I have an M1896 Krag that was rebarreled at some point (has a 1902 rear sight, probably rebarreled and stored). It is a GREAT shooter and fun, too!

I know that. I said what if they had come out with a better platform for the cartridge and upgraded the cartridge? It would have worked.
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Re: 1896 3/40 Krag Rifle Load

Um, that's kinda what was done. They went to a stronger platform in the M1903 and then took the 7x57 and made what were considered improvements to develop the 30-06.

I see what you're saying.....lighten the bullet, speed it up, and make refinements on the Krag. The Krag was just reaching the end of it's possibilities. The Norwegians used them in 6.5x55, but those rifles cannot really use that cartridge's potential because of the single-lugged actions. The Swedes really had the market on a good bolt gun in that round, and the US eventually came on board with a Mauser-style action as well when the Krag was found to come up short against the Spanish Mausers.
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Re: 1896 3/40 Krag Rifle Load

No, I'm not saying anything about strengthening the Krag. I'm saying ditch the Krag and put the cartridge in a better platform, like the Springfield. I must not be communicating my thoughts well.
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