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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 05-07-2018, 09:08 AM Thread Starter
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270 by Winchester

I have a line on 70 270 Winchester from 1970 Serial number G978681 . It was a friends dad who passed away. Just curious what a value / fair offer to him would be. I am going to keep for myself and not going to re-sell it.
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Depends on condition ... They're def not pre-64's when it comes to prices. I got a 300 WM at a local gun store with good bluing and a nice bore but a stock who's finish was flaking for $250 ~ $275 with an old tasco on it. This was about 4 or 5 years ago. Makes it about $300 in today's money.
The stock wasn't so horrible that I didn't want to shoot it or carry it, but I'm sure they gave the guy that traded it in $100 or something obscenely low like that because of it. I eventually refinished it and used it as a project & let my kid watch me strip it & help raise some dents & then refinish it & put it all back together.

They never had a reputation of being super accurate, but all the model 70's I've had - I've never had a problem getting them to at least shoot 1" groups at 100 yards ... wish i could say the same with a certain 700 that's sitting at the back of my safe. Anyway - I'm off topic ... A quick look at gun broker & I'm seeing a few like you describe selling for around $350 and a few where the auctions ended & didn't even get a bid for that price ... Those were for 30-'06's which seem to be more plentiful so I'm sure that's pulling their value down a bit, but it's not like the 270 is super rare either. If it was me - I wouldn't offer more than $400 and that's for a good friend.
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The rifle looks amazing. We settled on 350 . Once in my possession I will post pics of it. Thank you
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"They never had a reputation of being super accurate."

????huh????
they were one of the first sniper platforms the military put into service

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"They never had a reputation of being super accurate."

????huh????
they were one of the first sniper platforms the military put into service
Maybe I'm wrong, but my understanding was the post 64's of that time frame weren't perceived to be as accurate as the one produced prior to the changes made in 1964 and were behind the Remington's of the same time period.

Edit: Here's a good article about the military history of the M70 ... the ones used in Vietnam were actually purchased during WWII by the USMC
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Pre 64 model 70's are a totally different animal, that's why they bring a premium. The changes made in 64 stripped that fine rifle of the title of the rifleman's rifle. When FN took over production in 2007 the rifles saw a huge leap in quality, bringing them closer to the rifle they once were. From 2007-2013 they were manufactured in South Carolina. In 2013 production was moved to Portugal, where they have been made since.
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"They never had a reputation of being super accurate."

????huh????
they were one of the first sniper platforms the military put into service
Those rifles used by the military were far from standard hunting rifles though. They started as Pre-War Heavy Barrel target rifles from the factory which then were given new custom barrels when they wore out because they were used in military matches. In addition they were bedded with the barrels Free floated to help alleviate accuracy issues caused by the wood stocks and maintained by the match armorer.

The standard hunting rifles were not free floated as they had a third screw in the forend that held the stock to the barrel. In some cases that led to accuracy issuse and combine with the bullets and ammo of the time the standard rifles could be considered exceptional if they shot 1.5".

That being said I have a standard pre-war in 30-06 and pre-64 bull gun in .300 H&H both of which are sub MOA with handloads. While I prefer CRF to the push feed of the post-64 model 70, the only ones to really avoid are early post-64 models as they had some growing pains for the new design that was not rectified until a few years later.

By 1970 when the OPs new rifle was made the quality had been returned so you should be well served with that rifle. Heck for $350 id take a post-64 over a new plastic gun any day of the week.
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Heck for $350 id take a post-64 over a new plastic gun any day of the week.
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By 1970 when the OPs new rifle was made the quality had been returned so you should be well served with that rifle. Heck for $350 id take a post-64 over a new plastic gun any day of the week.
While I agree by 1970 many of the flaws of the post '64 model 70 were worked out, IMO the model 70 fell short of the quality of the pre '64 rifles until FN took over (still not quite up to pre '64 standards, but close). As you stated though, I'd choose a model 70 from the 1970's over many guns on the market today. For $350.00 you can't go wrong.
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While I agree by 1970 many of the flaws of the post '64 model 70 were worked out, IMO the model 70 fell short of the quality of the pre '64 rifles until FN took over (still not quite up to pre '64 standards, but close). As you stated though, I'd choose a model 70 from the 1970's over many guns on the market today. For $350.00 you can't go wrong.
The Classics made in the mid 90ís are held in extremely high regard as well.

I have one that began life as a 30-06. Itís now a 35 Whelen and one of my favorite rifles.

Of course, I say the same about all 7 of my Model 70ís. Lol
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