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Shotgun reloading thoughts

Reload suggestions for 12 and 20 ga. trap loads I have Win. AA hulls.

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Power: 700X, blue dot, bullseye, and unique.

Primers: CCI 209; REM STS 209, Win 209 & Cheddite 209

Wads: 12 ga. windjammer/tournament, Clay Buster WAA 12 Replacement, 12 ga. Spreader, and 20 ga. RXP.

How interchangeable are wads based on manufacture comparing equal size shot loads? Primers?
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Wads have to be matched to the hulls used. In the past I've used 1000's of claybusters with win 209 primers in AA hulls and Win WST with 1 oz and 1 1/8 oz loads for trap/skeet when I used to shoot it. I use same components with Win WSF for field small game loads. I never used the powders you have listed, though did use Red Dot for a short time years ago

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I cannot really respond to your specific powders and other components. But in general wads are pretty interchangeable with hulls but the key is to match wads up with the weight of the shot being thrown and the propellant. You are using AA and they are fine but don't pass up the Gun Club hulls because they are superb and people toss them out after one firing all of the time. I use 18 gr of American Select sparked by Winchester 209 primers, pushing 7/8 oz #8 shot nested in Claybuster CB178-12 wads (grey). Hulls are AA / Gun Club. It's a very gentle trap load and you can shoot it all day.

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I preferred something a little more stout for my loads. Can't recall the charge thrown, but I use a#31 bushing for 1oz and a #33 bushing for 1-1/8oz in my MEC with International Clays. I tried 700X a few years ago when powder was non-existant, couldn't stand it. Couldn't get the velocities I wanted, and it's DIRTY. Waited and went back to International, which I've been using for like 20 years.


Wads I settled on were Claybuster AA12SL for 1oz and AA12 for 1-1/8oz. So far I have found they are interchangeable in most Win and Rem hulls. They don't work in any Fed, Rio, or Win game load hulls. But if it's AA, STS, Gun Club or Rem game load hulls I'm good.


Don't have any information on 20ga for you, sorry.

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TRAP JAW: your info. So far I have found they are interchangeable in most Win and Rem hulls. They don't work in any Fed, Rio, or Win game load hulls.

Curious: Why don't they work? Thanks.
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TRAP JAW: your info. So far I have found they are interchangeable in most Win and Rem hulls. They don't work in any Fed, Rio, or Win game load hulls.

Curious: Why don't they work? Thanks.
Winchester AA, Remington Gun Clubs and STS hulls have an internal taper thus they need a wad designed for an internal taper.

Federal and others are straight wall hulls and they need a wad designed for straight wall hulls.

BTW you can get them to work but there would be pressure issues. That is where the problem lies.
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I've only ever used and have Win AA compression formed and Rem unibody hulls. I used a lot of clay buster wads in them. I see Win changed the interior of their new AA hulls to a 3 piece hull but from what I have read, supposedly you can use the same wads as used in the compression formed. But have not had to load shotshells for a while since I have not shot trap in a long time and still have 1 1/2 cases of trap loads sitting on the shelf, not including all game loads. I need an updated book apparently. Think I'll grab one this weekend.

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Don't know why they don't work in Rio hulls. I read they were a PITA but I tried anyway. The local clays course is littered with them. They just won't load correctly, buckled hulls, improper crimp, lots of issues. I just gave up trying to tweak the loader to get them to work. I stick with picking up the "good" hulls, which are still plentiful.

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