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whats most important?

in shooting tight groups......the gun, the ammo, the optics,or the shooter. you could say they are all egual but one has to be more important than the other.

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The shooter, hands down. If you don't know how to shoot properly, the best gun in the world makes no difference. Try it sometime, have several guys shoot a group withn the same gun, you will get different results every time.

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Re: whats most important?

Gun
The best trigger man cannot make a gun shoot any more accurate than it is.
A bad shooter can make a rifle that is capable of shooting 1/4" groups shoot 4" groups. But a good shooter cannot make a rifle that at it's best shoots 4" groups, shoot 1/4" groups.
While all the things mentioned go hand in hand and each compliment and enhance each other, the gun is the baseline.

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Re: whats most important?

Same could be said about ammo!
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Re: whats most important?

And, no matter how good the shooter, he can't make a gun shoot tight groups if the gun will not shoot tight groups. Don't disagree with what you said but the gun has to be capable of doin its part. There is no single answer.




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I agree John.
The gun is where it all starts.
Ya can't put Mario Andretti behind the wheel of a VW Bug and suddenly it goes 200mph. It has to capable of going 200mph in the first place.
The gun has to be accurate to get accuracy out of it.

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id say the shooter...

take any gun that hasnt been ruined or beat up in any way shape or form...i havent touched a rifle that wont print some sort of group at 100yds...

but i have seen LOTS of shooters not be able to group at 100yds...

the gun is only as accurate as the guy behind it...tons of money to trick out a gun will do NOTHING for a poor shooter...

most factory rifles are more accurate than the average joe that shoots a box or 2 a year..


ammo..yes guns prefer different loads..some arent real picky..others are super picky..

scopes..if a scope wont hold its zero, its garbage..buy good glass and take the scope out of the equation...

they are all important factors...but a poor shooter will make a BAD rifle print poorly...where as a GOOD shooter will be able to say "something is wrong with this setup"..

goto a public range one day when its busy..weekend before deer season is GREAT...while your sitting on the bench scan everyone's targets with your binocs or spotting scope...its often pretty comical..and i can bet most all the GUNS they are shooting are more than capable of shooting better than what they are doing...

many of your average hunters just dont spend time behind the trigger..they buy whatever ammo, goto the range and shoot it and thats that..
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But with practice the average shooter can get good with an accurate gun. If the gun is incapable of good accuracy, it does not matter who is pulling the trigger.
A good shooter can get the best out of an accurate gun. I have not seen an excellent shooter that was able to improve the groups on a gun that was inaccurate.
Case in point a buddy has a switch barrel Rossi .243/20ga. At 100yds with any factory ammo tried the best 3 shot group it has ever fired was a 4" group, 9 inch 3 shot groups are not uncommon. It will not even group the groups in a consistent spot. It is actually fun when we tack up a dollar bill and each take a turn to win it by hitting it. In three range sessions the winner was the guy who got the closest....no one has hit it yet. We are all very accomplished shooters and own guns capable of extreme accuracy. None of us could improve on that gun one bit.

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A good shooter can get the most of the potential accuracy out of a rifle. That might only be a 5" group at a 100 yards. A good shooter might also notice a loose scope mount or other problems with the rifle.
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