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45-70 vs 458

My new years resolution was , buy no more rifles.
Now that doesn't mean I can rebarrel.

Seems to me, I always wanted a 45-70, but the 458 is that and more. I reload so any 45-70 load fits the 458.

thinking of a heavy barreled bolt 458, maybe 22 inch barrel, laminated stock. I'd use it for deer and bigger, thoughts?
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Re: 45-70 vs 458

I think your crazy
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Re: 45-70 vs 458

go big or go home huh.cost about the same to shoot so go for it.
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Re: 45-70 vs 458

I bought a 450 but wish I would have purchased a 470.. easier to find shells for.
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marlin is dropping the 450,stock up or trade
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Re: 45-70 vs 458

The 45-70 will do anything the 458 will do out to 50 yards.The Alaskan Guides use the guide gun 45-70s to recover a wounded Grizzly up to 1600 pounds.They shoot them in the snout.The 458 is more an elephant or hippo or water buffalo gun where there is longer range involved.
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Re: 45-70 vs 458

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My new years resolution was , buy no more rifles.
Now that doesn't mean I can rebarrel.

Seems to me, I always wanted a 45-70, but the 458 is that and more. I reload so any 45-70 load fits the 458.

thinking of a heavy barreled bolt 458, maybe 22 inch barrel, laminated stock. I'd use it for deer and bigger, thoughts?
Sounds like you answered your own question. IMO I think its a cool idea. To me the 458 is the way to go. The 45-70 will be more than enough gun but doesnt have the "cool" factor that the 458 does. There is also the 458 Lott.

Good luck, Tony
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Re: 45-70 vs 458

Harry,

You can get a new Remington 798 with laminated stock in 458 for about $700...I have one and it is nice.You can load it down, but it is fun with full throttle loads too...I put Speer 400 gr. 45/70 slugs in mine....Such a cool gun!...I'm sure that penetration will not be an issue.
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Re: 45-70 vs 458

There is probably no animal - including elephant - that could not be taken with a properly loaded 45/70. Modern steel in our rifles and modern powders have made the 45/70 feasible in today's world. The big 5 in Africa have all been taken cleanly with the 45/70. They guy from Rifle magazine shot through 1 buffalo and into another - killing both with nothing more than a hot loaded 45/70. With Hardcast bullets at 2000 fps and you could brain an elephant and not worry. We know for certain that 500 grain soft lead slugs at 1300 fps shoot through 1 ton American Bison with ease.

In my opinion, there is not much a 45/70 cannot do... all from a round that was around since 1873 is cool enough for me.
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Re: 45-70 vs 458

...AND...it won't kill the shooter on the other end...unlike the .458!
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