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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 01-14-2011, 10:11 PM Thread Starter
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SUB MOA

Could someone explain what SUB MOA is?
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Re: SUB MOA

Less then 1 inch at 100 yards,2 inches at 200 and 3 inches at 300 yards.Thats a good shooting gun.
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Re: SUB MOA

A Minute of Angle (MOA) is 1.047" but for close range shooting rounding to 1" increments is the norm. As burk313 stated a sub-moa firearm will group less than 1" @ 100yds and so on. Some factory rifles come with sub-moa or better guarantees but for the most part a modern rifle should be capable of better than 1" @ 100yds with little effort.

Something worth noting about MOA is the fact that many scopes don't adjust in 1/4 MOA but rather 1/4" increments. When running ballistics (drop tables) for long range shooting it pays to be aware of which your scope adjusts for.

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Re: SUB MOA

interesting topic with excellant answers.
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THANKYOU ALL'''
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I think it's kinda funny when someone says MOA and they are reminded by many that MOA actually equals 1.047" and not 1" at a 100 yards. The difference of the .047" at a 100 yards is about 1/25", thats pretty darn small. Even at a 1000 yards that is less than a 1/2". Those are some pretty small numbers to be adjusting by, when shooting 1000 yards and your spotter says add 1/8 minute left you are not thinking is an 1/8 minute 1.25" or 1.3" at a 1000 yards. MOA is used more as a constant, when you spotter tells you to move 1 minute it doesn't matter if it's a 100 yards or 500 yards. Here is an excellent link to describe why it's used.
http://www.accurateshooter.com/forum...3757527.0.html
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I think it's kinda funny when someone says MOA and they are reminded by many that MOA actually equals 1.047" and not 1" at a 100 yards. The difference of the .047" at a 100 yards is about 1/25", thats pretty darn small. Even at a 1000 yards that is less than a 1/2". Those are some pretty small numbers to be adjusting by, when shooting 1000 yards and your spotter says add 1/8 minute left you are not thinking is an 1/8 minute 1.25" or 1.3" at a 1000 yards. MOA is used more as a constant, when you spotter tells you to move 1 minute it doesn't matter if it's a 100 yards or 500 yards. Here is an excellent link to describe why it's used.
http://www.accurateshooter.com/forum...3757527.0.html
Do you understand the mil syatem? i tried reading but just get turned off cant even focus on getting interested.
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I understand it somewhat; a lot of the guys I shoot with are a lot more proficient with it than I am. This way it was explained to me; First get inches out of you head, when you create drop charts do it with MOA. You're simply moving a measurement then, it's not anything else but a reference. Take for instance your shooting 500 yards, you come up 9.25 MOA, read your elevation knob like a ruler dial it to 9 1/4 marks and your good to go. That is far better than taking the time to count 37 clicks, it is even better when you are shooting long distance, say a 1000 yards, come up 25 minutes, you can dial 25 minutes on your scope a lot easier than coming up 250". How many clicks is 250"? Well that is kinda easy but you can kinda get an idea where this is going. Once your in the ballpark and seeing bullet splash on the berm you aren’t counting or figuring anything, you shoot then adjust the scope to where the bullet hit. At 500 yards it's pretty hard to see bullets hit because of the recoil but at a 1000 you have almost 1.5 seconds, with a little practice and a decent scope you have plenty of time to get back into the scope and see the bullet splash. At 500 yards you just need really good optics to see bullet holes on the paper.
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Think you misunderstood me on question. i uderstand moa and dial my scopes in moa also and correct with moa instead of inchs as you mentioned. I was asking if you know the mill dot system where so many mills make a mil radium and do your drops and windage in mils instead of moa. I cant get in to it tried reading a few times and i would weather read shakesphere than reading up on mil system. its all what the military has went to but i have always said just because the military does it dont mean its always right.
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Yep,I misunderstood and do not understand. I never really looked into the mil dot system, I guess it's just to hard to teach an old dog new tricks.
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