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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 10-07-2016, 03:50 AM Thread Starter
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Rarest pre 64 Winchester model 70?

Back in the early 80's Bedlan's ran an ad in the Shotgun news for a Pre 64 Winchester model 70 .308 win. in "standard grade" New in the box for $5,000.00. It is my understanding the .308 was only offered in "featherweight grade" and that only 3 standard grades are known to exist. I wish I would have bit the bullet and bought it. I am told it is worth in the neighborhood of 10 times that amount today. Anybody know about this variation?
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post #2 of 26 (permalink) Old 10-07-2016, 07:35 AM
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Re: Rarest pre 64 Winchester model 70?

That gun exists as do other non-cataloged variations along with many other non-standard rifles. Bogus M70s have become a big business causing many collectors to shy away from oddballs. That .308 is not worth $50,000-not even close to that....standard .358s also exist, among others..

No verifiable factory production records exist for pre-64 Model 70s making collecting them fraught with danger..
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Re: Rarest pre 64 Winchester model 70?

I've been told the same about the standard 308's, with the standard rifle 243's being a rare find as well.

But, as mentioned, someone's verbal on something like that doesn't merit the cost such a rifle commands if the story is true. The trouble is...how do you prove the veracity of such a claim?

I've always been interested in such stuff, but I can't bring myself to try to purchase collectible M70's because I just don't feel like I would be able to do so in a smart fashion. Plus I like to use my stuff, lol.

I have a low 5-digit M70 in 300H&H. It's had a refinish and replacement stock. It's no museum piece. But for a rifle made in 1938, that's ok to me, and I get the experience of using a very early M70 without paying the collector's premium.

That is what I look for.

I got my 1949-made M70 in 30-06 for $500 out the door because it had a limbsaver pad installed, an aperture sight notch and scope sidemount cut both repaired, and holes in the side from the mount were plugged. It was all done pretty well and looks good. Destroyed the premium price the gun would have otherwise commanded, but not the function or capability.

So I have a rifle from what many consider to be the "golden age" of the m70 for what an entry level rifle costs these days. And that thing is a rock-solid reliable good shooter, too.

Trying to weedle out those rarest of the rare M70's, to me, is asking to get conned by someone trying to make a buck off someone else not knowing any better.


Just my opinion on it...
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post #4 of 26 (permalink) Old 10-07-2016, 04:30 PM
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Re: Rarest pre 64 Winchester model 70?

I saw one years ago at a gun show that the Expo Mart in .220 Swift, $1500.00 then...can't be many of them around in that cartridge.
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They aren't plentiful, but they're not impossible to find.

Someone who wants to get into this arena, imho, NEEDS to own a copy of the Roger Rule book.
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Re: Rarest pre 64 Winchester model 70?

I felt this one would have been worth the risk considering 1. It was new in the box with all the paperwork. 2. It came from Bedlan's one of the elite Winchester dealers. Can't imagine Bedlan's would have been fooled by a fake.


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A NIB .308 Standard is worth $15,000 today...if you can find someone who wants one...and will pay that...box guns can be tough to move....
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My 70 is a 1958 ( I think). Last I checked it was worth around $8000. Been a while, might be more now. It's an "African" in .458 Win Mag, sitting around 98% condition.

I gotta go agitate the techies!
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I sold an unfired late African to a doctor in Memphis, TN for $5495 back in 2005..shows how much they're grown in value. Africans have a bit of a cult following among collectors and they made slightly over 1200 of them...a guy has to have one to fill out his collection...I passed an unfired African several months ago @ $9,000 after buying five unfired ones from the same old man...including a pair of .300 Winchesters, one in the box with the bolt tag..my Model 70 days are pretty far behind me....
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Re: Rarest pre 64 Winchester model 70?

Rare ??

.300 Savage
.35 Rem
7.65 Argentine
.358 STA
.470 Capstick

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