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How Far is too Far

One of the other threads has a comment in it that if you need more than a 9 power scope it's too far away. I have issues with that statement. I understand everyone has limitations, for some guys a 100 yards is considered a long shot. Some guys can shoot under 5 inches at a 1000 yards. I don’t think anyone can judge someone else’s performance over the internet, unless you know the guy personally.

I think to consider a shot too far away, is when you cannot reliably hit the vitals of the animal you are trying to kill or the gun you are using doesn’t carry enough down range energy to effectively kill the animal. Guys can shoot 8” groups at a 1000 yards with a 243 but that doesn’t mean they can hunt an elk at 1000 yards with that particular rifle. What are your thoughts?
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Some guys can shoot under 5 inches at a 1000 yards.
The only guys I know who can shoot under 5" at 1000 yards compete at Williamsport, and there are darn few of them.

I am just about sick of watching "Best of the West" which promotes long range elk and mule deer shots. Certainly that kind of shooting is possible; but now every cowboy with a 300 Fireplunker, a 20-85 power Huskeyman scope, and a stout load, thinks he can knock down any four legger consistently at two miles. Ethically, long range shots are quirky especially in shifting winds. I think any hunter who wounds and does not recover a deer or elk at anything over 300 yards should be fined severely.

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I think you're right on the money. I have a heavy barrel 243 that shoots sub 3" groups at 500 meters (547 yards) but I'd never consider shooting a deer at that distance, because I don't think it'll deliver enough energy to effectively kill a deer at that distance. Also, unless you practice at long range, even with heavier or "magnum" calibers, you aren't very ethical slinging lead at animals that are too far for you to be shooting at.

As for optics, the more the better in my book. I'd rather have a 14x or more scope than a 9x scope out west. You can see a LONG ways out there, and more power is better in my book. You might not need 14x or more, but it may help in judging animals, seeing horns, etc. You can't hit what you can't see.
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One of the other threads has a comment in it that if you need more than a 9 power scope it's too far away. I have issues with that statement.
I said that...Sure, there are guys who can run the mile in three minutes or so...There are guys that can always throw baskets from half-court too...Common sense will tell you that in this case, we are talking about the average hunter since he was asking for advice, not some Camp Perry champion..Those Williamsport expert target shooters that shoot from mountain-to-mountain will surely benefit from a higher powered scope, but for the average guy a 3X9 scope will provide more than enough power to comfortably enable him to hit game out as far as 500-600 , jeepers, how far do you feel confident? When the bullet stops flying and drops to the ground?.. Having been out west many times, I can truly say that shots like that would have to be taken about as often as they would be here in Pa...In other words, SELDOM....Will say,a 14X scope enable you to get a deer that you can't get with 9X?....In all practicality ,I doubt it.
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Yea but a 14X scope will help you identify your target better than a 9X scope will.

The problem is that I don't know what I don't know.
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You might not need 14x or more, but it may help in judging animals, seeing horns, etc. You can't hit what you can't see.
Out west we use spotting scopes and binoculars..Many will call you out for suggesting to use a rifle scope to size-up a game animal.

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I think any hunter who wounds and does not recover a deer or elk at anything over 300 yards should be fined severely.
So it's OK to wound an animal at a 100 yards? That guy shouldn't be punished? So if you take one of the guys that can shoot under 5" at a 1K is it ethical for him to do it. Like I stated, within your ability, you don't know me or my abilities.
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Your correct Gunner, Most think Camp Perry is a Church Camp !!. No bench rest there Just Old "Dirt Shooters" laying in the dirt with slings, however do not stick your head up at 600 yards. Long Range Deer Gunsfor the sling shooter) I have shot them all(Magnums, Weatherby's, 6.5 x .284's, 7mm STW) but the .308 is best. My best is a 700 1-11' twist 27 1/2" #5 Contour. 41/2 - 14 Nikon side focus Mil-dot. You can argue the Gun & Scope But if you are not shooting a Mil-dot your not serious!!! You must have Equipment that will out shoot you!! You must shoot Long Range to get good as-in Groundhog. A good Rifle & Mil-dot with practice and development will surprise you.

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You might not need 14x or more, but it may help in judging animals, seeing horns, etc. You can't hit what you can't see.
Out west we use spotting scopes and binoculars..Many will call you out for suggesting to use a rifle scope to size-up a game animal.

Stogey, are you kidding?
What's the problem with that? Not everybody has spotters, and most binocs aren't more than 10x. I carry 10x binocs, locate game and once ABSOLUTELY certain it is a game animal, can get a better look with my 14x scope, and if legal, big enough, etc., shoot right then and there. By carrying a more powerful scope it eliminates the need to carry a spotter. That said, I do carry a spotter out there whenever possible, but I don't always need it.
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