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post #1 of 31 (permalink) Old 12-17-2010, 10:53 PM Thread Starter
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Hammer Down or Half Cock

When I hunt with my Winchester Model 94 I always carry it with the hammer all the way down and the safety on. Is this standard procedure? I've heard of people carry them at half cock and even full cock (with the safety on). Just wondered if people actually do that. Thanks.
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Re: Hammer Down or Half Cock

It depends on the weapon. My personal Model 94 is about 30 years old or so. There is no safety. However, there is a half-cock.

I carry it on half-cock because it is the safest way to carry that particular rifle. It is kinda like a safety. But nothing to be relied on.

With any lever action, there is only one way to make it fire. And that is to squeeze the trigger.

Mine.....I use half-cock. But if you have a newer one with a safety on it....Use it.

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Re: Hammer Down or Half Cock

I carry my Marlin 336 with the CBS on and the hammer at half cock. But the best safety is always between your ears.

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Re: Hammer Down or Half Cock

When you carry one of these lever actions with the hammer down against the back of the firing pin, all it's gonna take is a fall or some other kind of "knock" on that hammer, and the rifle is going to discharge..The safety mechanism only works when the hammer is at 'half-cock' and blocks the hammer from coming in contact with the firing pin....I ran into two dad's with their sons hunting like this last year in separate incidents,,, and when I pointed out this problem, they were surprised to hear it..As much as I love the old levers, I'd never let a kid use one today.
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Re: Hammer Down or Half Cock

i'd like to see statistics of where a 336 or 94 has killed because of the "half cock" saftey. most would have been killed because they had the muzzel pionted where it shouldn't have been. first and formost watch where that gun is pointing

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When you carry one of these lever actions with the hammer down against the back of the firing pin, all it's gonna take is a fall or some other kind of "knock" on that hammer, and the rifle is going to discharge..The safety mechanism only works when the hammer is at 'half-cock' and blocks the hammer from coming in contact with the firing pin....
Prior to my retirement 10 years ago, I was a product liability investigator for many clients, among them Olin- Winchester. I had a case exactly like that in Luzerne County around 1992. A gang was driving deer. Near end of the drive, an elderly gent was a stander with a pre transfer bar Model 94. Three deer ran by, he aimed, slipped in the snow, fell and rifle discharged. The bullet struck a 19 year old nearby, also a stander, in the buttocks. The kid had permanent injuries. Two years later, Winchester was sued, alleging the transfer bar could have been designed years prior. Unfortunately, the elderly gent then had Alzenheimers and could not remember anything. We believe he had the firearm fully cocked and when he fell, the hammer struck the ground and the gun detonated. Our engineers found no defect with the product. My client paid a small sum to avoid litigation. The gent's homeowners paid its limit, $100,000.

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Re: Hammer Down or Half Cock

Half cock.
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Re: Hammer Down or Half Cock

I never owned one a lever gun and have a question here. I have a friend who said is girlfriend like about 30 years ago almost killed him with a hammer gun. So with the hammer in the down position isnt the way you would normally hunt? Kind of see the point if it would get bumped hard and hit the firing pin. never knew any of this.
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the hammer in the half cocked position is the safty. if you can pull the trigger in that position get your gun fixed. never carry this style gun with the hammer against the firing pin

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thanks, didnt know that but never owned one.
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