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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old 03-24-2015, 12:02 AM Thread Starter
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Gun Safe Advice

Hey everyone,

I think I've settled on a Liberty Fatboy as the gun safe I will purchase ideally this weekend. With that said, can anyone help me locate the best price? The Liberty site lists dealers, but the price is the same regardless of dealer. Maybe someone knows of some old stock at a physical location? Maybe a dealer not represented on their site? Site shows it listed @ $2,800 give or take after shipping.

I called Cabelas and they have the Fatboy with the Cabelas logo on the door for $2,100, and I could pick that one up.

Any difference in the big box store versions vs right from Liberty?

Anything better in the 2k price range?

Thanks (and I am aware of the RSC vs Safe concept, thickness of steel, weight of safe, composite door, that type of stuff when looking at safes, thanks youtube.)

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Look on Thefind.com and type in Liberty Fatboy safes. I saw Gander Mt have them $1499, $2099. Not sure of what you're after but they list a lot of places that carry them.

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Not close to Lititz but Piestrak's Gun Shop up in Nanticoke, PA (near Wilkes Barre) sells allot of these safes and his prices are normally as good as any I have seen.
www.piestraksgunshop.com
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Prices also will vary dependin what finish it has and which lock it has.Great safe by the way.If you get the same name safe like Fatboy,Fatboy Jr.for example they are the same no matter where you buy it but might be optioned different.Just make sure you check the fire rating and bolt and door thickness to be sure.
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Re: Gun Safe Advice

Fire ratings are over rated. A Little info on fire ratings on safes.

http://www.pendletonsafes.com/about/...-fire-ratings/

We believe an informed customer is the best, and often happiest customer in the long run. When armed with all the facts, we can make truly educated decisions about which products will be the best fit, and provide the most value over time.

Most mid to upper level safe companies boast impressive-sounding fire ratings that ensure protection for (X) amount of time with (Y) outside temperature, not to exceed 350 degrees inside the safe. However, these ratings are often deceiving due to the methods by which the safes are tested. As it stands, there is no standard set of tests specifically for evaluating the fire resistance of a gun safe. In fact, most companies use different private testing organizations to evaluate and assign fire ratings to their safes. These testing procedures often vary, and are exclusively based on how well paper documents resist damage as ambient temperatures rise. The problem with this approach is that most people incorrectly assume that paper in a safe will burn before a gun. This is not true. Since steel and other metals "gather heat" much more easily than paper, guns and other valuables will heat up more quickly and reach higher temperatures than documents in the same amount of time. You might notice this principle the next time you go outside to pickup the newspaper from your driveway on a hot summer day. While the hood of your car is too hot to touch, you can easily pick up the paper and carry it inside without any discomfort. It seems to go against logic, but it can all be explained by the scientific principle of Specific Heat Capacity.

When a safe is in a house fire, it acts like a huge convection oven the fire outside the safe heats up the air inside the safe which, by convection, transfers heat to the firearms and valuables stored in the safe. How quickly your valuables become damaged by the fire depends on three things the temperature inside the safe, the burning or melting point of the various materials that make up your valuables, and the specific heat capacity of those materials. Specific heat capacity is the amount of heat required to change the temperature of one kilogram of a substance by one degree. In other words, the higher a material's specific heat capacity, the more heat energy is required to raise the temperature of that material. Specific heat capacity is extremely important when taking into consideration the fire-rating of a safe. The paper document used in a typical fire-testing procedure has a specific heat capacity of 1.4 (Kcal/Kg C) and an ignition point of 451F. By comparison, aluminum, steel, gold and silver have much lower specific heat capacities of 0.91, 0.49, 0.13 and 0.23 respectively. This means that the steel barrel of your rifle or aluminum casing of your scope will heat up a lot more quickly and easily than any paper document in the safe. With an ABS plastic gun stock melting at 221F and wood solids starting to break down at around 575F, you can image how quickly a gun can become ruined under heat conditions that would cause little, if any damage to a paper document in the same safe. If companies began fire-testing their safes using guns and other valuables as the standard, rather than documents, they would find that conventional fireproofing does little to prevent the safe's contents from being quickly destroyed by a typical house fire.
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Re: Gun Safe Advice

I have found that buying safes is like buying a car, everything is negotiable. From price to delivery to set up, etc....
Google the mfgr. you want and see what pops up and start making calls.
If you are looking just to buy and don't need delivery or have it set in place in your house then you should have more of a range of possible vendors to shop with.

Don't over look lock shops, they typically can also get gun safes.

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Thanks guys, still hunting as of today - want to pick up and keep it with an hour drive each way.

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Re: Gun Safe Advice

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Originally Posted by huntin-nut
Not close to Lititz but Piestrak's Gun Shop up in Nanticoke, PA (near Wilkes Barre) sells allot of these safes and his prices are normally as good as any I have seen.
www.piestraksgunshop.com
I'll second Piestrak's in Nanticoke. Their prices are the best I've seen. They just delivered a Liberty Colonial 30 to my house today and took it down into the basement and set it up for me. I live about 20 miles away and delivery charge was $150, worth every penny. Great guys to deal with and very professional.
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try [email protected] Lock in Hagerstown Md. I purchased a big one from them a couple yrs. ago. Saved a $1000 over internet cost on the same safe ! I picked it up there and we put it in the back room of my house, really wasn't that hard to do!
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I use the fire ratings as a guide.It still offers info on the construction of the safe.For wanting any kind of protection other than from kids I,d stay away from a composite door.
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