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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old 02-26-2015, 10:35 PM Thread Starter
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45-70 or .444

I'm interested in purchasing a lever action rifle in 45-70 or .444 caliber. I intend on using the rifle in Ohio since they now permit "straight wall" cartridges. Most shots are <125 yards in hardwoods. I don't know much about either caliber and was looking for info on both.
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post #2 of 28 (permalink) Old 02-26-2015, 11:00 PM
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Re: 45-70 or .444

45-70 the ammo for those guns will be easier to find than the 444
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post #3 of 28 (permalink) Old 02-27-2015, 12:07 AM
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Re: 45-70 or .444

I would go with the 444. I have a 444 and my buddy has the 45-70. Both shoot great, but if you don't reload, many of the factory 45-70 offerings are lite due to all the older guns chambered for it.
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Re: 45-70 or .444

My first rifle was a 444 Marlin and kick myself in the but all the time for trading on another rifle! If I could find one at a good price I wouldn't hesitate to get another! So I'd say go with a 444

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Re: 45-70 or .444

Pick one! Honestly!

Most factory loads for the 45-70 are 'weak'....however, they're more than adequate for anything other than the large bears...and they still might be for that. They killed buffalo with those weak loads out of those weak rifles....or thereabouts.

I own a 444. I like it. It can be made to have better ballistics than the 45-70 all around, but you have to handload to do it.

Ammo isn't hard to find for either one. It might not be on the shelf in your local 'mart', but most any gunshop I've been in has both in at least one variation. Lots of options online as well.

Let the rifle pick for you. The 45-70 comes in a bunch of various lever guns in several makes and models with all kinds of fun options.

I think only Marlin is making the 444 now and they have two to choose from. There are others on the used market. I don't think Winchester is making one anymore.

You really under estimated the ramifications of the boondoggle you have just perpetrated!
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Re: 45-70 or .444

45/70. I purchased a new Marlin GBL two years back for bear.

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Re: 45-70 or .444

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Let the rifle pick for you. The 45-70 comes in a bunch of various lever guns in several makes and models with all kinds of fun options.
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The biggest reason I chose the 45-70 is just that. The model I wanted was chambered in 45-70 and not 444. And, they're so close ballistically, that the chambering was of little consequence.

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Re: 45-70 or .444

Some ammo makers like Buffalo have them loaded hot and not water down per-se.
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Re: 45-70 or .444

The .444 is on its way out. There really is no comparison between the two when using each in modern day rifles...

The .45/70 is clearly superior in every respect...a quick glance at any handloading manual bears this out..
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Re: 45-70 or .444

Buy one of each and start your collection the right way.

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