Baiting FYI - The HuntingPA.com Outdoor Community
 34Likes
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 03-31-2019, 07:29 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
dpms's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 17,456
Back To Top
Baiting FYI

Been talking to a commissioner for awhile about the use of bait in Allegheny County for deer under the same regulations that exist in the SE SRA. He is supportive of the idea to help control deer where they need controlled the most. It is often a struggle to pull deer out of the residential areas into areas where they can be legally hunted.

Interesting conversation that took a unexpected turn. In Pennsylvania, the PGC can regulate baiting in every county in the state, except one. There is a law under Title 34 that prevents the PGC from regulating baiting in counties designated as "Second Class". Allegheny County is the only county with a Second Class designation. Bucks, Montgomery are Second Class A.

So in order for the PGC to regulate baiting in Allegheny County, the legislature would have to strike that particular language from Title 34.

Wonder what thinking was to exclude Allegheny County?

I support all hunters, regardless of weapon or technique!
dpms is online now  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-31-2019, 08:50 PM
Regular Member
 
Pa-Plinker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: S-C PA, WMU 4A
Posts: 1,832
Back To Top
Quote:
Originally Posted by dpms View Post
Been talking to a commissioner for awhile about the use of bait in Allegheny County for deer under the same regulations that exist in the SE SRA. He is supportive of the idea to help control deer where they need controlled the most. It is often a struggle to pull deer out of the residential areas into areas where they can be legally hunted.

Interesting conversation that took a unexpected turn. In Pennsylvania, the PGC can regulate baiting in every county in the state, except one. There is a law under Title 34 that prevents the PGC from regulating baiting in counties designated as "Second Class". Allegheny County is the only county with a Second Class designation. Bucks, Montgomery are Second Class A.

So in order for the PGC to regulate baiting in Allegheny County, the legislature would have to strike that particular language from Title 34.

Wonder what thinking was to exclude Allegheny County?
Below is the Title 34 language you're referencing. I'm not sure this language was designed to specifically exclude the Western SRA (Allegheny County), or rather a convoluted attempt to only include the South-East SRA. It's confusing to say the least ! ! !


2308. Unlawful devices and methods.

(a) General rule.--Except as otherwise provided in this title, it is unlawful for any person to hunt or aid, abet, assist or conspire to hunt any game or wildlife through the use of:

(1) An automatic firearm or similar device.

(2) A semiautomatic rifle or pistol, except as set forth in subsection (b.1).

(3) (Reserved).

(4) A semiautomatic shotgun or magazine shotgun for hunting or taking small game, furbearers, turkey or unprotected birds unless the shotgun is plugged to a two-shell capacity in the magazine.

(5) (Deleted by amendment).

(6) Any recorded call or sound or recorded or electronically amplified imitation of a call or sound of any description or any other call or sound or imitation of calls or sounds which are prohibited by regulations of the commission. The commission shall be authorized, by resolution, to adopt rules and regulations authorizing the limited use of recorded calls or sounds or recorded or electronically amplified imitation of calls or sounds when such use is necessary in the commission's judgment to protect the public health and safety or to preserve that species or any other endangered by it.

(7) A vehicle or conveyance of any kind or its attachment propelled by other than manpower. Nothing in this subsection shall pertain to any of the following:

(i) A motorboat or sailboat if the motor has been completely shut off or sail furled, and the progress thereof has ceased.

(ii) A motorized wheelchair if the person has been issued a permit to hunt under section 2923(a.1) (relating to disabled person permits).

(8) Any artificial or natural bait, hay, grain, fruit, nut, salt, chemical, mineral or other food as an enticement for game or wildlife, regardless of kind and quantity, or take advantage of any such area or food or bait prior to 30 days after the removal of such material and its residue. Nothing contained in this subsection shall pertain to normal or accepted farming, habitat management practices, oil and gas drilling, mining, forest management activities or other legitimate commercial or industrial practices. Upon discovery of such baited areas, whether prosecution is contemplated or not, the commission may cause a reasonable area surrounding the enticement to be posted against hunting or taking game or wildlife. The posters shall remain for 30 days after complete removal of the bait.

(9) Any setgun, net, bird lime, deer lick, pit or pit fall, turkey blind except as permitted under subsection (b)(3) or turkey pen or any explosive, poison or chemical of any kind.

(9.1) Any device which permits the release of two or more arrows simultaneously on a single full draw of a bow.

(10) Any other device or method of any kind prohibited by this title or regulations promulgated under this title.

(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:

(1) (i) Any archery sight or firearm's scope which contains and uses any mechanical, photoelectric, ultraviolet or solar-powered device to solely illuminate the sight or crosshairs within the scope.

(ii) Except as otherwise provided under subparagraph (iii), no archery sight or firearm's scope shall contain or use any device, no matter how powered, to project or transmit any light beam, infrared beam, ultraviolet light beam, radio beam, thermal beam, ultrasonic beam, particle beam or other beam outside the sight or scope onto the target.

(iii) (A) A flashlight or spotlight may be mounted on a firearm to take furbearers if the sole source of power for the flashlight or spotlight is contained within the flashlight or spotlight or on the person.

(B) For the purposes of this subparagraph, a flashlight or spotlight mounted on a firearm shall not include a device that projects a beam of laser light to indicate the intended point of impact for one or more projectiles discharged from the firearm.

(2) (i) Any political subdivision, its employees or agents, which has a valid deer control permit issued under section 2902(c) (relating to general categories of permits).

(ii) Any licensed hunter in cities of the first class, while hunting on private property and using a bow and arrow or crossbow, using bait to attract deer for removal as provided by commission regulations.

(iii) Any licensed hunter in special regulation areas, other than counties of the second class, using bait to attract deer for removal as provided by commission regulations.

(3) Any artificial or manufactured turkey blind consisting of all man made materials of sufficient density to block the detection of movement within the blind from an observer located outside of the blind.

(4) Any natural or manmade nonliving bait used to attract coyotes for hunting or trapping.

(5) Any electronic or mechanical device used to attract coyotes for hunting or trapping.

(6) Any decoy used in the trapping or hunting of furbearers.

(b.1) Additional exception.--A semiautomatic rifle may be used to hunt game in accordance with regulations promulgated by the commission.

R.I.P. WCO Dave Grove ... You will never be forgotten.
Pa-Plinker is offline  
Old 03-31-2019, 08:55 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: erie, pa
Posts: 11,036
Back To Top
i see no difference in baiting verses planting a food plot. both are done to attract deer to a certain area in order to be killed.
the only difference is the food plot has roots. food plots are not harvested and neither are bait piles.
both of them concentrate deer in area that could help spread disease faster.


both of them should be legal or both of them should be illegal. not one or the other.

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com
go here click on the pink square, beat breast cancer
bohunr is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old 03-31-2019, 08:59 PM
Regular Member
 
Pa-Plinker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: S-C PA, WMU 4A
Posts: 1,832
Back To Top
Quote:
Originally Posted by bohunr View Post
i see no difference in baiting verses planting a food plot. both are done to attract deer to a certain area in order to be killed.
the only difference is the food plot has roots. food plots are not harvested and neither are bait piles.
both of them concentrate deer in area that could help spread disease faster.
both of them should be legal or both of them should be illegal. not one or the other.
While there are some similarities, there are also some HUGE differences !

R.I.P. WCO Dave Grove ... You will never be forgotten.
Pa-Plinker is offline  
Old 03-31-2019, 10:46 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: erie, pa
Posts: 11,036
Back To Top
I'm listening !

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com
go here click on the pink square, beat breast cancer
bohunr is offline  
Old 04-01-2019, 08:15 AM
Diehard Outdoorsman
 
whil e kioti's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Pa. Lackawanna Scranton
Posts: 4,154
Back To Top
Quote:
Originally Posted by bohunr View Post
I'm listening !
Personally...I don't hunt over bait or a man made food plot...but IMO...a food plot is there 24/7... where as bait can be used to condition the deer to come to it at a particular time.

Only fools fight in a burning house...Day of the dove
whil e kioti is online now  
Old 04-01-2019, 08:37 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: erie, pa
Posts: 11,036
Back To Top
it can also be left there 24/7 too
Bugle likes this.

http://www.thebreastcancersite.com
go here click on the pink square, beat breast cancer
bohunr is offline  
Old 04-01-2019, 09:00 AM
Frequent Contributor
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Hollidaysburg, PA (4A)
Posts: 828
Back To Top
Quote:
Originally Posted by bohunr View Post
it can also be left there 24/7 too
I agree with bohunr in saying that food plots and baiting are one in the same. They both create the very same outcome. The reason why food plots are allowed is simply because it's considered agriculture.
bohunr, Stetam and SlickShot like this.

Previously JJ5C

Last edited by JJ4D; 04-01-2019 at 09:11 AM. Reason: Ehhh
JJ4D is offline  
Old 04-01-2019, 10:39 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
dpms's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Pittsburgh
Posts: 17,456
Back To Top
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pa-Plinker View Post
Below is the Title 34 language you're referencing. I'm not sure this language was designed to specifically exclude the Western SRA (Allegheny County), or rather a convoluted attempt to only include the South-East SRA. It's confusing to say the least ! ! !

.
I am thinking that is correct after reading title 34 again. It looks like the PGC can regulate baiting in the SRAs, but not in Allegheny County. Not sure why Allegheny County was excluded. Oh well. Just have to schedule a meeting with my rep.

I support all hunters, regardless of weapon or technique!
dpms is online now  
Old 04-01-2019, 10:49 AM
Regular Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: North Versailles,2B Camp 1A
Posts: 1,805
Back To Top
Quote:
Originally Posted by JJ4D View Post
I agree with bohunr in saying that food plots and baiting are one in the same. They both create the very same outcome. The reason why food plots are allowed is simply because it's considered agriculture.
I have to agree with the bo-man also, I know a guy who puts feed down and has a salt lick in a little 20 ft square area in winter and into the spring, then he quits feeding and picks up the block at that area and digs up and rakes it, and plants clover for the hunting season and now WALA, it becomes a legal food plot...Go figure....
bohunr likes this.


If you don`t stand behind our Troops,
Please feel free to stand in front of them....

Last edited by SlickShot; 04-01-2019 at 12:28 PM.
SlickShot is offline  
 

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the The HuntingPA.com Outdoor Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Thread Tools



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome