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Exposed Bait and Cable Restraints

5 years ago our instructor, and another WCO (I believe Tim Conway?) helping with the class told us that we could set cables while utilizing exposed bait (carcass piles). Somebody asked him how far they needed to be from the bait and the instructor said that you could set the snare right on top of the bait pile if you wanted to. Of course that isn't the best place to set one, but his point was that exposed bait laws do not pertain to cable regulations in Pa.
I even called the Dallas station afterwards to verify what we were told, because the reg book we got with the class said that....."in addition to regular trapping regulations......". I was again told that exposed bait laws do not apply to cable restraints in Pennsylvania.

Now I have been getting mixed signals regarding the legality of setting cables over exposed bait. What have the rest of you been told?

I can remember the instructor saying you could set as close as you wanted to the carcass, but he paced off a few steps and said you'll be more effective if you stay at least this far away or farther down the trail.


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Re: Exposed Bait and Cable Restraints

I just took my class on June 29th this year and we were told we could set on exposed bait also, we didn't get any reg book just a "successful furtaking student manual". We were also told about the 5' circle that must be clear of any entanglement and anything bigger than your thumb must be cut. Also were told the relaxing lock had to be the bent washer type and nothing else. I don't see any of this in the regular reg book. I just received my training certificate card in the mail last week and there was no other reg book on restraints with it. I would think they would be printing this in the digest with the other cable restraint rules.
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Re: Exposed Bait and Cable Restraints

Newt sterling told me that bullet locks, micro locks, penny locks, slim locks, low pros and others are approved for use in Pa. I bought 200 slim locks from him at the Pa convention this past year under his recommendation of it being the best legal lock for Pa.
I'm glad you were told them same about exposed bait. I thought I was going nuts. Do you know the name of your instructor?


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Re: Exposed Bait and Cable Restraints

http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI...3.061.000..HTM

<span style="font-weight: bold">(f) Cable restraints will be considered traps for the purposes of the section 2361(a)(3), (4), (7), (8), (10), (12) and (14)--(16) of the act (relating to unlawful acts concerning taking of furbearers).
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Section 2361 (a) (13) says:
(13) Bait a trap with meat or animal products if the
bait is visible from the air.

<span style="color: #660000">NOTE: Article (13) is not included in the bold section above.</span>


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Re: Exposed Bait and Cable Restraints

We were told the samething last year at my class, however, the instructor recommended keeping the cables on trails leading to the bait.

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Re: Exposed Bait and Cable Restraints

Oh yeah, that only makes sense. A couple guys on trapperman told me I was full of it. They said you can't set cables around exposed bait in Pa, and the rules apply just as if you're setting footholds.
I could use some backup "over there" LOL


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Re: Exposed Bait and Cable Restraints

Fairchild - I don't think it is legal. CR's are traps - no bait visible from the air with any trap. Technically a carcass is not bait unless you put it there. The way I was told a naturally dead carcass can be set. A carcass you dragged somewhere cannot be set on because it is bait at that point.

There has to be a WCO that can weigh in on this....
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Re: Exposed Bait and Cable Restraints

It specifically says that snares are not traps for 2361 (a) (13) which pertains to exposed baits.
Now, I don't think you can set a carcass with footholds whether it died there naturally or not. That shouldn't make a difference for the purpose of the law. But, you can set the trails leading to the carcass or placed bait as long as you are far enough away. That specific distance? Well nobody knows. LOL


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Re: Exposed Bait and Cable Restraints

Hey Fairchild I believe the info he is posting is outdated, the max cable length is now 7' not 6 and the BA's are 375 lbs. Not 325. The only thing I can find on the locks says must be relaxing type,nothing about specs. As far as the bait goes I don't know for sure, but I'm not one to overlook a good set location. I'm surely not worried about catching a bird in one of my cables and that's the whole reasoning behind NOT setting footholds on exposed baits.

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Re: Exposed Bait and Cable Restraints

Brian, exactly my thoughts.
Have you found the need for increased poundage with BADs?

I had to blanket, lasso, and tackle a neck caught deer to clip the cable when using a 285 BAD. That was fun. Actually the deer behaved quite well, thinking back on it.
She walked into the cable where I had reset a fox catch from the day before. All I could figure is that she was walking with her nose to the ground, smelling the catch circle, and headed right into the loop.



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