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post #1 of 10 (permalink) Old 04-20-2013, 11:16 PM Thread Starter
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cable restraints

unless i'm reading the regs wrong,how can you place a cr in a area that allows a "full 360 degree arc with out the restraint being tangled with anything"
How do you
"hide"a cable out there ,if you can't blend it in with the foliage?
I'm kind of at a loss here.
I want to try this,this upcoming season,but it sounds so complex.
Someone please straighten this out for me or put in laymans terms.

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Re: cable restraints

you can cut the entanglement and stick it back in the ground . and remember , no entanglement larger than an inch ,so if it smaller in diameter it is legal without cutting and re inserting back into the ground .
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you can cut the entanglement and stick it back in the ground . and remember , no entanglement larger than an inch ,so if it smaller in diameter it is legal without cutting and re inserting back into the ground .
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Re: cable restraints

I think the rule is anything bigger than 1/2" diameter needs to be removed or cut and replanted.
With that being said, some of the whippier vegetation like green briars and young samplings cause more of an entanglement issues than stiffer, larger woody vegetation that could more easily break off when wrapped up in the cable.
The law on the books actually does say the the cable can't become entangled in anything. Anything could be a blade of grass. Another "gray" area in our regulations to worry about I guess.


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Re: cable restraints

when you take the C/R class they talk a lot about entangelment.

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when you take the C/R class they talk a lot about entangelment.
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Re: cable restraints

Entanglement is quite clear. Anything that they can wrap around and choke off. That would include most any live woody stem.

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Re: cable restraints

Pa Code (cable restraints) 141.66 g

(2) Set any cable restraint where entanglement may occur or in any manner which could result in an animal held in the restraint being suspended.

Entangle: 1. To twist together or entwine into a confusing mass; snarl.

It says nothing in the game code about vegetation diameter, it simply says do not set where entanglement is an issue. The handbook they give you at the course tells you that anything under 1/2" is not considered "entanglement", but I can assure you that briars and those thin little ground vines can cause issues.
Every animal I have caught in cables has been very much alive except for one.
I caught a female fox around the hips this past season and she was out cold, but laying up right as if still alive. Zero entanglement in a run of CRP/tall grass. No bites, no bullets, and hardly a struggle....I'll never figure that one out.
I've had some foxes dig up the dirt so bad that they exposed roots and got tangled around the roots, twisting their head right down tight to the ground. Still very much alive when I got there. I believe that the most lethal entanglement is when they are caught in something with their head up above their shoulders.
Guys with kill snares often set entanglement this way on purpose.


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Re: cable restraints

This ground was flat as a board when I set here. The cable is staked in the center of what is now a mound of dirt...dug up by the fox.





Sometimes you catch them right out in the open and the behave nicely:




Tall grass....is that entanglement? I don't think so, but I've had people tell me it's an illegal set too:






Sometimes they mow down everything like you left them a week whacker in the catch circle.




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Re: cable restraints

excellent pictures mr. fairchild . those sets look legal to me
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