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Re: Effective Flintlock kill range for deer ?

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A killing, ethical shot rests with the shooter, and I feel confident that our group of post-Christmas, Flintlock Shooters understand the limits of their flintlock weapons.
Oh would that I wish that were true! I used to get guys comming into my store as close as the night before the season (Xmas eve) to buy a flintlock...any flintlock so they could hunt with it the next day! I always told them with no hidden contempt in my voice that the displays were all we had and that they were reserved for other customers. I would rather lose a sale then have some ignorant slob stumbling around the woods with a rifle they new nothing about...

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Re: Effective Flintlock kill range for deer ?

i think there is no real answer to your question because every shooter is different.i think what it all boils down to is,what do you fell comfortable with myself iam not affraid to shoot 100yrds maybe a little farther but it depends on the weather such as wind but what it all comes down to is what you fill is your max limit that you can handle

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Re: Effective Flintlock kill range for deer ?

The best way to use ANY open sight (handgun, rifle) is to shoot to the top of the sight and not cover the target with the front sight. The front sight should cover nothing you are looking to hit; it should be under the hit spot. To shoot longer range than your normal zero; you need to hold more sight up in the rear notch but you still aim to the top of the sight. The sight covers nothing.

An example is a squirrels head should appear to sit on top of the front sight; not be covered by the bead. Open sights are far more versitle when used this way and it's the only way to use the partridge sights on a handgun to hit beyond 25 yards or so. It's called a 6 0'clock hold.
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The best way to use ANY open sight (handgun, rifle) is to shoot to the top of the sight and not cover the target with the front sight. The front sight should cover nothing you are looking to hit; it should be under the hit spot. To shoot longer range than your normal zero; you need to hold more sight up in the rear notch but you still aim to the top of the sight. The sight covers nothing.
That's right!! Take a "6 o-clock" sight picture. It's the way the Marines are tought and the way my old man, a former Korean War vet marine tought me to shoot.

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It takes some getting used to but once you stick with this method of open sighting it opens up a whole new ability to hit with open sights and various ranges. You will have to re-sight and practice until it becomes second nature but it's far more effective. Once I learned to HOLD UP more sight or HOLD DOWN more sight with a handgun wow what a difference. You just need to learn how much. All my BP guns have the same fiber optic sights and are sighted the same way. My handguns are sighted FLAT SIGHTS @ 75 yards and I hold up or down in the notch for different ranges. I have hit groundhogs at 180 yards with a Python holding up sight and could still see the chuck. Rifles are not different.
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Re: Effective Flintlock kill range for deer ?

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The best way to use ANY open sight (handgun, rifle) is to shoot to the top of the sight and not cover the target with the front sight. The front sight should cover nothing you are looking to hit; it should be under the hit spot. To shoot longer range than your normal zero; you need to hold more sight up in the rear notch but you still aim to the top of the sight. The sight covers nothing.

An example is a squirrels head should appear to sit on top of the front sight; not be covered by the bead. Open sights are far more versitle when used this way and it's the only way to use the partridge sights on a handgun to hit beyond 25 yards or so. It's called a 6 0'clock hold.
That’s the best explanation i have heard.

I normally try to cover the body (vitals) and then fire(aligning the sights and covering the target). Luckily, i have gotten all deer I have hit with this Flinter (3) but always limited myself to under 50 yards due to covering too much of the deer itself. (Yes, I have missed them too) I won’t be shooting this deer season with it, as I have tagged enough this year. This explains why I have difficulty at the range as well. Great time to resight it in, in the summer. I like the maxiballs with 80 grain over the std traditional flinterballs. Not sure why this didn’t click in my head in the past, but your “squirrel's head” analogy made perfect sense. I also liked the shooting stick suggestion too, as I like to be in the woods still hunting at times due to the cold weather. A great time in the woods for sure. I passed on (12) doe last season, and opted to not shoot, but just enjoyed being out there taking it all in.

Thanks everyone for the great suggestions and comments.

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Re: Effective Flintlock kill range for deer ?

50 yards is MY effective kill range BUT I know guys who shoot 100 yards and kill deer.
Where I hunt I hardly ever shoot over 50 yards with my centerfire rifles anyway.
Not many 100 yard shots in the swamps of 3D.
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I was taught the way mossie explained it.
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The best way to use ANY open sight (handgun, rifle) is to shoot to the top of the sight and not cover the target with the front sight. The front sight should cover nothing you are looking to hit; it should be under the hit spot. To shoot longer range than your normal zero; you need to hold more sight up in the rear notch but you still aim to the top of the sight. The sight covers nothing.

An example is a squirrels head should appear to sit on top of the front sight; not be covered by the bead. Open sights are far more versitle when used this way and it's the only way to use the partridge sights on a handgun to hit beyond 25 yards or so. It's called a 6 0'clock hold.
My girlfriends dad taught me this last year at the range pre season after stating my frustration with not being as accurate as I felt I should be with my flinter. I hit 1 out of 4 or 5 deer I ever shot at with it prior to last season, last year I went 1/1 with that doe being at 93 yds. with a rock solid rest, no wind, and in a field where she was feeding and completely calm. Once I sighted in like this I was so much more accurate, it really was like night and day. Gone are the days of only shooting 50 and in, while still covering most of the vitals. on the range I got comfortable shooting farther than I ever thought possible FOR ME with open sights....any deer within 125yds, as long as I have a solid rest, is withing MY COMFORT range now!

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Re: Effective Flintlock kill range for deer ?

My effective range is about where they would start to get a powder burn when I shoot

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