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post #1 of 26 (permalink) Old 09-28-2011, 11:41 AM Thread Starter
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Fake BP vs Real BP in Performance

Ok,,I'm still new to the in-line game....so this may seem like a dumb question.....or maybe an obvious answer, but has anyone ever "compared" shooting their in-line with the substitute Black Powders vs. the Real ones such as Goex, ect.?

The reason I ask is I have shot some excellent loads using Blackhorn 209 at 100gr. But last weekend at my local Club we were plinking with flinters and I had my new in-line (taking much abuse of course) and I was shooting a 240gr. lead bullet with a T\C sabot over 50gr. of Goex FF.

The targets were only at 35 yards but the gun was shooting dead on, easy to reload with a swab on every 5th shot or so.

I was just thinking of testing the Goex with a 325 FTX bullet and instead of using 100gr. of Blackhorn, perhaps trying from 100 up to 120gr. of Goex FF.

Just wondering if anyone had done this?

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No one's ever done this? Really?
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MOST if not ALL folks that shoot inlines shoot a BP substitute as they don't want to have to deal with the horrible fouling and the sulphur and the corrosive properties and the low velocities and the hydroscopic nature of BP and the impact sensitivity and......get the picture?

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Congratulations, you have rediscovered the load for the US Gov't 50 caliber carbine which was introduced in approx 1866. A great many of the early cartridge guns shot great with shallow fast twist barrels and about your load of real black. All of my in-line guns are percussion utilizing No 11, caps. They also all have round ball rifling. The little 32 will put five into a postage stamp at 75 ft. I don't shoot anything but real black.

many don't realize that the subs have their own problems. Pyroduh is more corrosive than black. Trip 7 suffers from the famous crud ring. Some have ignition problems. Black ignites at a lower temp and is therefore easier to ignite. As for the infrequency of wiping the bore. I am convinced that the load tightness, powder charge and barrel length will dictate how clean a load burns. If a load is not tight, or there is substantial powder still burning when the projectile exits the muzzle, fouling increases dramatically. Having powder still burning in the bore, is a factor of whether the powder is consumed before the projectile exits the bore. Most barrels have a sweet spot, a load that burns most efficiently for the projectile and the bore length. If too much powder is still burning when the projectile exits, a good part of it is wasted with no proportional increase in velocity or energy. When the powder burns without pressure, the fouling goes way up.

Your load, which is light to moderate for any gun above a 40 caliber, was consuming the powder before the bullet exited the muzzle. it burned cleaner.

For me target shooting is multiple consistent pleasant loads. Beating my shoulder to a pulp with $5.00 bullets and excessive pellet feeds has lost all semblance of plinking or target shooting
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Re: Fake BP vs Real BP in Performance

Thanks Zim!! I guess I was born to late!! Again, shooting the in-line with only 50gr. of BP was like shooting a 22LR only way more accurate....barrel fouling was pretty minimal....and for plinking it was fun, cheap, and fun. Oh.....and did I say fun?

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Re: Fake BP vs Real BP in Performance

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MOST if not ALL folks that shoot inlines shoot a BP substitute as they don't want to have to deal with the horrible fouling and the sulphur and the corrosive properties and the low velocities and the hydroscopic nature of BP and the impact sensitivity and......get the picture?
Guess what ? Not sure about BH209, but all other BP substitutes have all of the qualities you mention above. If you are so sure of your statement, try shooting your ML with say Pyrodex, and don't clean it for a couple of days. Guarenteed pitting will be the result. 777, and APP/Shckey's Gold are like sponges, when it comes to Hygroscopic. Fouling? 777 has the worst crud ring making seating subsequent sabot shots very difficult. Now I'm not against using these sub powders, they all have thier applications, but don't fool yourself into a ruined ML, or poor performance from powder which has deteriorated.
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I have been using this, Hardly smells at all, Ignites quick, very accurate in my flinters and inlines. 2F
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Re: Fake BP vs Real BP in Performance

Well.....just for kicks today, I went to the (soggy) range today and took the new in-line and chrony along. Using 100gr. Blackhorn powder, a MMP sabot, and the Hornady 325 Flex Tip bullet, I was getting an average velocity of 1725fps.

Then I loaded 100gr. of Goex FF using the MMP sabot, and the Hornady 325gr. Flex Tip bullet. I was getting an average velocity of 1,450fps.

Fouling with the Goex was not incredibly terrible. However, it was getting cold, wet and I did want to try pushing the Goex powder up to 110gr. and then to 120gr. to see what the velocity would go to.....but my fingers told me to go back another day!!

Accuracy using the Goex was as good as the Blackhorn.

FWIW

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Trying to compare other powders against blackhorn209 is like having a healthy 20 year old join a handicap race and brag about winning it. Blackhorn209 will smoke all of the "competition".
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