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post #1 of 12 (permalink) Old 10-17-2019, 03:58 PM Thread Starter
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Finally got my smokeless muzzleloader dialed in...

So this past spring I bought a Hankins converted smokeless muzzleloader using the DIS for ignition. All summer I had been practicing with it and testing out loads. I had been shooting 58 grs of 4198 under a 275 gr Fury Star Tip with a wool wad in between. The gun starts out as a single shot CVA hunter in 45/70 and Jeff Hankins installs a threaded breechplug that takes large rifle magnum primers.

Basically with these guns there are no sabots, you use an adjustable sizing die to smooth form the bullets down to fit the barrel. The bullets start out at .452 and my gun shoots very well just a touch over .451. I check each bullet with a mic after sizing them. I've found my gun shoots best with a firm one handed loading pressure. This can be kind of subjective to the shooter as far as to how tight you load the bullet but one thing to keep in mind is that the tighter the fit the higher the pressure which is a huge consideration with these guns.

Most people shoot between 55 and 65 grains of 4198 in these guns. With my new load work up, I bought new Fury Star Tip 2 bullets which have an aluminum point on them. I sized them a touch over .451 and I upped by powder charge to 60 grs. The wad helps the bullet obdurate into the rifling which helps with accuracy. With this load I shot a group at 100 yards of .5". All three shots could be covered by a nickel. By far my best so far, normally this gun was shooting right around an inch or so. Tomorrow I am going to the range and shoot it at 200 and 300 yards and see how this load does. My previous load shoots about a 3" group at 200 yards.

Where I hunt I can take longer shots across fields and firebreaks out to 300 yards. I can easily make that shot with my rifle and am comfortable shooting that distance at a deer. But my CVA Optima Pro just was not up to the task. My smokeless MZ shoots very accurately and has an average muzzle velocity of about 2600 FPS with a 275 grain bullet.

I can't wait until Saturday...
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I am seriously considering getting one of the savage prefit barrels for use in my switch barrel hunting rifle. Rather than the DI I would go with the LRMP modules so I can use it with my standard magnum bolt face.

Out of curiosity can you load them down closer to 2200fps and have you tried any of the Powerbelt ELR bullets?
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Yes you could but it be handicapping the load and rifle
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I bought a used Remington ultimate muzzeloader last year. My plan was to convert it to smokeless. That still might happen but gosh does it shoot as is. Running 106 weighed grains of BH209 powder and shooting a Parker 300 grain black max it’s going 2247. The guy I bought it off put a break on it and thank hog for that because that thing is a cannon. At 2” high at 100 it’s 2” low at 200. I still need to dial it in with my turret at 2/3/400 yards. For next week I’ll leave it as is.
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Yes you could but it be handicapping the load and rifle
This is true however most of the time I’m hunting in the woods and since I won’t be putting a break on I don’t particularly need the extra speed if it makes the rifle kick like my .458 WM (300gr at 2700 fps).
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burninghxcsoul....glad you found a smokeless rig meeting your expectations!! Doesn't surprise me that the gunsmiths found an acceptable alternative to the original Savage 10-ML style breech plug. Does yours have Hankins direct ignition module style breech plug?
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Loggy the OP says Jeff installed a dis in the gun. No I had to reread the post and saw it.
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CMP they can get your attention there are a lot of lighter loads out there for the .451 cal you just have to find the one you like. Iam a puss I take a brake then while hunting I remove it a lot of good self timing brakes on the mar
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Today I shot this doe at 221 yards. It dropped in its tracks never knowing what hit it. I couldnt be happier with this gun. although I did find that in prone position I can eat the scope haha. I was must have been paying to much attention and man it rocked me hard. all my buddies gave me alot of grief haha. I also saw a bobcat which i had never seen before in the daytime. pretty cool experience.
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Congratulations on your doe, looks like those bullets work well but those heavy loads in light guns can really whop you good in the prone position.

We had deer on the move today down our way but nobody managed to get anything so we will really get after them next weekend when the whole crew is up.
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