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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 08-08-2011, 10:24 PM Thread Starter
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Muzzel Loader ID Help

A friend aquired a very old cap & ball muzzle loader . Very rough condition . Only markings are V P then something we can't make out near the lock . There is also a 3/16ths hole in front of the rear buckhorn sight . Overall length is 56" . Any help or direction for ID will be greatly appreciated .
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Re: Muzzel Loader ID Help

We are gonna need more than that. How about pictures? VP could be a number of things. Is it military? civilian? What caliber or ga? Is there anything resembling a crown with the VP? An oval with the letters ELG in it. Any initials stamped on the butt stock, any proof marks or unit markings. Near the top of the barrel at the breech or along the wood on the sides of the barrel just ahead of the breech? Single trigger, brass or iron furniture? wooden or metal ram rod? bayonet lug? Round or octagon barrel or even possibly octagon to round.
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Re: Muzzel Loader ID Help

A couple of pics would help. The hole in front of the rear sight may be the result of someone mounting a modern rear sight. Can you tell if the hole is threaded? Have you checked the rate of twist? While you are a it (and this is a time worn warning so don't take it personally) make sure the gun is unleaded.

Good night Chesty, wherever you are......
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Re: Muzzel Loader ID Help

Now that I think of it, I wonder if the current sight is a replacement for another sire. The hole being a left over from the sight replacement. Some old guns had sights with two holes.
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Re: Muzzel Loader ID Help

Good point Zimm. We need some PICS!!!!

Good night Chesty, wherever you are......
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Re: Muzzel Loader ID Help

A good many of the Enfield pattern muskets (model 1853) were stamped with a V.R. on the lock plate just behind the hammer. It stands for Victoria Reginia (Queen Victoria) Any chance the initials are V. R. ? Often but not always under a stamping of a crown. In front of the hammer on the lock plate are usually some letters or a name of the manufacturer, L.A. Co, Barnett, Tower? perhaps a date of manufacture over or under the letters?


The website http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/...en/enfauth.htm has a very good explanation of Enfield markings as well as pictures.

Just guestimating by the VP you describe that you have an 1853 Enfield Pattern gun. The 1853 Enfield pattern also had an original military ladder rear sight that required two screw holes.



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Re: Muzzel Loader ID Help

Sorry about the poor describtion . I was headed out the door when he brought it over .We googled it and found a very similar model . 1863 VP 58 cal. . Should have an Eagle on the lock side , but is not ledgible . U S is also stamped on the top side of the steel butt plate . The forend stock was sporterized , but the ramrod holder was still there . As far as we could tell , there is no rifling .
As for the story of him aquiring it ? He works for a moving company . An old lady had it stacked in a corner with things to be thrown away for the garbage . He asked if he may have it and she gave him her blessing . Granted it is useless , but if only it could tell it's story . What a tale it would be . Now it will be a conversation piece hanging above his fireplace with an assumed story .
Thank you all again for your help .
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