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What is a "Deep Button" & "Cut" on a T/C PA Hunter

On T/C Website they have a "Barrel Twist" chart which list both a 1:66 and a 1:48 twist for the Pennsylvania Hunter flintlock. However, it list two types of rifle, a "Cut" version and a "Deep Button" version. What do these terms mean? How do I know which rifle I have?
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Everybody-and-his-brother tells me that the PA Hunter has a 1:66 twist and that I should only use roundballs in it. However the Tech Service people @ Thompson say that all 1:66 twist riflr have "1:66" stamped on the barrel. Mine does not. Does this mean that my rifle has a 1:48 twist?
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a button is a jig that is pulled through the barrel that cuts the rifling. the cut rifling is actually cut into the bore and the button rifling is pressed into the bore. the button process is cheaper.

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I was told when they made the QLA muzzle they went to the 1-48 twist.
I may be wrong on this.

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Re: What is a "Deep Button" & "Cut" on a T/C PA Hunter

Best way to tell twist is a jag on a rod with a tight patch.Put a ring of masking tape close to the muzzle when at botton.Put a line on the tape.When it make 1/4 turn,measure,multiply by 4 and you have your rate of twist.

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I colllect T/C catalogs, and ML's. I have checked all of my older catalogs that feature the Penn. Hunter. All of them, state a 1 in 66" twist, rifle , or carbine. There is no mention of a 1 in 48" twist in any of them. I have a Penn. Hunter Carbine, with Q.L.A. It has a 1 in 66" twist. It does not have 1 in 66" stamped on the barrel. I may be wrong, but I have never seen a T/C ML with the twist rate stamped on the barrel.
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Owned a TC PA Hunter w/QLA muzzle. It was a 1-66 bbl with no markings stamped on bbl other than 50 cal(see pic below).

I had an L&R lock fitted/tuned by Brad Emig plus a fast twist Green Mountain 1-28 bbl is in stock per pic. Gun was sold several years ago to help fund a Brad Emig 54 Cal PA Mountain Rifle.



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I colllect T/C catalogs, and ML's. I have checked all of my older catalogs that feature the Penn. Hunter. All of them, state a 1 in 66" twist, rifle , or carbine. There is no mention of a 1 in 48" twist in any of them. I have a Penn. Hunter Carbine, with Q.L.A. It has a 1 in 66" twist. It does not have 1 in 66" stamped on the barrel. I may be wrong, but I have never seen a T/C ML with the twist rate stamped on the barrel.
Here is a T/C Hawkins that was posted a while back with the stamp.
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I agree with you 100% although there was a discussion on here where a few guys said they made them in 1:48 also. I never heard of such a thing.
The Pa Hunter was marketed by T/C when PA went strictly round balls for flintlock season. It was marketed as a roundball gun so why would they make it with a 1:48 twist. I have shot round balls out of 1:48 barrels BUT the 1:66 is the true RB barrel.
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Re: What is a "Deep Button" & "Cut" on a T/C PA Hunter

Not sure if the mucky-mucks who run the PA Hunting websie will let me post this link, but I'll try. It's a link to the T/C "Twist Chart". Scroll midway down on the left and there it is in black and white. Pennsylvania Hunter 1:48 twist.
http://www.tcarms.com/firearms/chart_muzzleloaders.php
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