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Amazes me ! Maximum charge !

Why do so many folks have to use,or try to, the maximum load in a muzzle loader ? Some folks try it right from the begging of their shooting of a new rifle .
It is so much better and satisfying to start low and then try going up slow ! Then you may see how the gun handles it ?
I could be wrong but i am happy with my results .

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Because idiots abound everywhere....

I had a guy almost laugh at me one time when he asked me how much powder I was using, and I told him 80 grains of 2fg behind a .530 t0 .535 ball. He said "oh that load is no good for deer hunting, you need at least 100 to 110 grains". At that point I knew he was a clueless moron, so I told him to hit the road.
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Bigger is better mentality. Same reason guys deer hunt with .300win mag or bigger.
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This is America brother, bigger is better, didn't you know that?
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so, just to throw out some numbers for you all: .530 rb, 28" barrel. 0 @50 yards.

80gr 2f = 1519 fps 100gr 2f = 1590 fps


75 yards -2.7" 75 yards -2.5"
100 yards -7.7" 100 yards -7.4"

or: 70 gr 3f = 1512 fps

not worth getting beat up or using the extra powder for!

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been saying that here for years. But the popeye syndrome runs deep in every Bubba across the country. If hitting something is good, hitting it harder is better. ie more powder. They never stop to think of the fact that extra powder is often simply burned in muzzle flash and the velocity gains are minimal while the pressure still spike upward. They think somehow that white tail have evolved into the dangerous game of 1800's Africa and attempt to copy the loads used by the great African hunters of the mid 1800's.
Gun companies do not help the matter by peddling fancy plastic tipped bullets and nuclear propellant pellets are guaranteed to shoot straighter and hit harder, for so long as they can pick the customers pocket for a premium price. This isn't the wide pen spaces of the Northern Plains, In PA most deer are shot at 30 to 40 yards. You don't need a 400 yd Buffalo killer load. Some guys apparently can't tell a white tail from a cape buffalo.
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Bigger is better mentality. Same reason guys deer hunt with .300win mag or bigger.
What are you trying to say about me huntin' with a .300 win? Just kidding. I use it because thats my only huntin rifle but I acknowledge that it is way more then plenty for deer. It is scary to think of people starting at max charge. I have limited experience with ML but I know that with centerfire reloading you need to start low and work up. My .300 mag shows presssure signs well before max charge. I'm thinking many ML guys may not understand the risk of going to max charge out of the gate. Pretty scary stuff.
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so, just to throw out some numbers for you all: .530 rb, 28" barrel. 0 @50 yards.

80gr 2f = 1519 fps 100gr 2f = 1590 fps


75 yards -2.7" 75 yards -2.5"
100 yards -7.7" 100 yards -7.4"

or: 70 gr 3f = 1512 fps

not worth getting beat up or using the extra powder for!

Is there a formula to roughly figure out your velocity and trajectory?

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What are you trying to say about me huntin' with a .300 win? Just kidding. I use it because thats my only huntin rifle but I acknowledge that it is way more then plenty for deer. It is scary to think of people starting at max charge. I have limited experience with ML but I know that with centerfire reloading you need to start low and work up. My .300 mag shows presssure signs well before max charge. I'm thinking many ML guys may not understand the risk of going to max charge out of the gate. Pretty scary stuff.
Ya I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with it. My primary deer rifle is a 7mmWSM so I'm not too far off in terms of power. Like you, I acknowledge that it's more than enough for deer. I know I don't NEED all the power. If that's all you have to use, you're better off than someone that only has a .223 hahaha.
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I just got into muzzleloaders this year and got a CVA. I'm very impressed with the info that they put out, particularly youtube videos. I followed they're recommendations of two white hots and powerbelts and the thing shot great right off the bat. I know both of these are not recommended by most hardcore muzzloading guys but if I can put three shots touching at 75 yards with it I'm pretty confident as I probably wouldn't take a much longer shot anyway. Not sure why people would go with three whitehots just because the ballistics chart has info for that load. I learned the overloading lesson with my .280. Ammo ain't easy to find so I took the first box I found. Decent two shot group, adjust sights, shot goes 8 inches the other way. Just as i thought it was dialed it would throw one. Over and over; I was convinced that I was just a bad shot. Finally got some good advise to try a smaller load and I no longer question my shooting.
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