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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 11-04-2009, 11:23 PM Thread Starter
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Traditions PA Pellet & T/C Firestorm

I've learned alot from this forum so far, so this is my return investment. I hope this turns into a fun and very informative discussion chain, for both old timers and newbies, because I'm kinda baffled by it all. Here it goes...

Originally bought a Traditions PA Pellet two years ago, shot it in and found the sweet spot to be 70 grns 3F American Pioneer with 245 Aerotip Powerbelt (harvested a doe last christmas with it). 1-3 inch groups at 50 yds, depending on how I was shooting that day. Wasn't a big fan of the plastic sights, so...

I upgraded, in theory and price, to a T/C Firestorm this summer. I've shot every combination of 245 and 295 Powerbelts (Hollow and Aerotip) with 2F and 3F American Pioneer and Triple 7 with 70, 80, 90, 100 grains of powder. I've also tried said powder combinations with T/C 270 and 350 gr Maxi-Hunters. I can't get below a 6 inch plus group to save my life, with any combination! Might have something to do with the heavy trigger pull, but I'm not sure. So...

I found a new Traditions PA Pellet with Williams metal sights from Cabela's. Snatched it up and shot it in today. 80 grains of 2F Triple 7 with 245 gr Hollow or Aerotip Powerbelts and I got a an incredible group, that is repeatable, which I didn't think was possible with a flintlock. 295's shot just as well, but it didn't like a clean bore for some reason.

I used the exact same cleaning/loading routine today on both guns: 1) T/C bore cleaner wet patch, one pass (up and down), 2) two passes with a dry patch (a clean one each time), 3) add powder, 4) stuff bullet against powder and tap 3 times, 5) prime the pan with GOEX 4F, 6) fire, and repeat...both guns, all loads. Although, I did shoot a few dirty bore shots in the traditions...and it didn't matter! I made a very concerted effort with this today...a real challenge when a flinter isn't grouping right as I've come to find out! Tweak, tweak, tweak, and tweak some more!

Both rifles feature a 1:48" twist with a 26" barrel. The difference is in the breech plug design I suspect. Both are "designed to shoot loose powder or pellets." T/C has short solid plug with a cone (convex), while the Traditions is longer and hollow (concave)plug, which is somewhat closed on the bore end except for a nail size hole which connects to the main charge. This allows the 4f pan and 2F charge powder to mix a little before ingniting the main charge, or so I suspect.

Can a breech plug really effect powder and bullet performance that much? What about the performance of the "fake" powder in both guns...in one it's incredible, in the other I wouldn't take on barn door hunt; same container used on both guns today. The fake vs real powder argument, though probably is justified, takes on a new dimension in my mind (plug design) but I'm not sure why.

I started off archery hunting and got addicted quick, then dabbled in rifle hunting (not so addicted), and now I am beyond hooked on flintlocks...and now I'm broke.

Oh, I don't shoot the "real" powder because I can't find with 100 miles of where I live in AR and I'm not paying an additional $20 bucks for shipping. Plus the women don't like the smell either...clean it outside, I know, I know.

I look forward to the posts...off to clean some flinters, watch some real baseball (sorry Pirates, I love ya, but I like post-season excitment), and then back to work tomorrow.

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Re: Traditions PA Pellet & T/C Firestorm

If you wont pay that whopping $20 fee, i guess you're stuck with that crap powder in a rifle that NEEDS real black powder in order to be reliable LOL.

Get some pyrodex P and give that a try. Reduce your current load info by 10%
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Yea, i understand the differences in the powder types. What makes the Firestorm need the real stuff as opposed to the traditions that apparently does pretty well with Triple 7?

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Re: Traditions PA Pellet & T/C Firestorm

well its not to much that the tc needs the real stuff. Accuracy is something that can take time to find. I would suggest a 370gr maxiball or a .490 round ball with .015 patch. Does this rifle has the QLA at the end of the muzzle? QLA is a large 3/4" 1" section of the muzzle that is bored smooth.
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Re: Traditions PA Pellet & T/C Firestorm

I run 80 gr of Pyrodex RS and a 295 HP out of my Firestorm and it shoot's 1" groups at 50 yards all day. It does like a dirty barrel. I only clean it after 5 or 6 shots.
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The Traditions does not have the QLA but the T/C does. What's the function of this feature?

Funny thing with the traditions...shots 245's clean, dirty, doesn't matter...only shoots 295's dirty. first shot out of a clean bore doesn't even hit paper at 25 yds, but after that it's good. ...and they say machines don't have personalities!

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Re: Traditions PA Pellet & T/C Firestorm

LOL it drives you nuts sometimes dont it?

QLA makes loading the projectile easier. Allows the bullet to go into an unbored section of the barrel 3/4 - 1" and then you can use the short starter/ramrod to push the load down. TC in the past and still do, are putting out QLA's that are drilled off center. This is a big issue on their inlines, not so much their sidelocks.

I'd give the 370gr tc maxi ball a try and if that dont work, send the rifle in to tc and tell them what its doing. Maybe even give them a call first before spending more $$ on bullets. You still have the traditions to hunt with.
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Re: Traditions PA Pellet & T/C Firestorm

I shoot 100 grs. of Triple 7 with a 250 Powerbelt out of my PA Pellet. I have never been a great shot with a muzzleloader, this combo has worked very very well at 100 yrds. I switched the plastic site out with the steel RMC fiber optic sites and that made a huge difference. I have a "traditional" T/C PA Hunter and shoot 90 grs. of FF and and round ball with FFFF in the pan and had great results with it. Shot a range at 200 yrds with a round ball and shot right at the bottom of an 8" plate...I was aiming at the top of the plate. I was pretty impressed.

I am more comfortable shooting the PA Pellet.
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