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a couple questions

I am getting great groups out of a .50 cal lh deerstalker at 50 yards. i found 95 grains of 2f gave me snuff can 3 shot groups. I switched to the cabelas brand prelubed .10 patch. my question is that out of a clean gun, the cabelas patches almost loaded too easily, accuracy was great, but ive never loaded a patched rb with such ease. as I shot, it became a little tougher to load with a dirty barrel, but the 1st load out of a clean gun will be my first hunting shot. am I overthinking this?
also, I had many misfires in between successful ignitions, im shooting English flints. thanks from a new flintlocker!!
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Re: a couple questions

When I am target shooting I always wipe the bore between shots. At 50 yds. with a good rest you should be able to get groups that are better than the roughly 2 1/2 groups you are getting. Did you try patches of different thicknesses? If your touch hole has a small hole in it, it wouldn't take too much carbon to get into the hole and give you a misfire or a hangfire. you are looking to keep your barrel pressure equal between shots and this will give you consistent groups if you do your part. The groups you are shooting are good but with a little experimentation you may find a load that works really well. Aim small miss small
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Re: a couple questions

Experiment with a thicker patch...say a .015 or even an .018. See if that closes your group up more. May even cut down on fouling!

No, you are not over thinking. Give swabbing between shots a try with just a dampened cleaning patch. One time down and back. That will help keep the barrel conditions consistent between shots. It may help with shot to shot accuracy.

The NMLRA recommends it be done due to hot residue that maybe remaining in the barrel. Also, very important! Load with hammer all the way down, and frizzen forward.

By misfires, what was it doing? Pan powder igniting, or not? Combination?

Once you get it grouping good, forget the bench. Practice offhand.
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Re: a couple questions

Fff will burn cleaner than ff, too small of a patch allows fouling to build, type and amount of lube can affect fouling and accuracy. I prefer a combo that allows trouble free shooting(no swabbing). I don't like a ball starter so I cone all my muzzles, some say it can affect accuracy, I don't see it. Primarily to hunt and some woodswalks. Far as ignition goes you might need to adjust your flint to frizzen alignment, or you have a dull flint, obstructed touch hole etc...

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Re: a couple questions

if you are shooting 2 1/2", 3 shot groups at 50 yards, I wouldn't change a thing. spend some more time at the bench perfecting you shooting technics and that may close you group. my 32 loads just as you are saying, from the first shot, to the 10th or 15th or more. spent the day shooting it to find a lower load (20 gr 3f) for squirrel and was having fouling problems after 5 shots. went back to 30 gr that I have been hunting woodchucks with. I would much rather change the sight picture than be cleaning the barrel in the woods. time spent at the range will tell you what your gun likes. dull edge on your flint maybe? try knapping it.
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thanks guys! sometimes the pan powder ignites without firing, other times it doesn't.ive got a lot to learn, but im loving learning it!!
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you need to check out the patches and see what they look like after being fired. If they are ripped apart, have holes in them, way to thin.
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thanks guys! sometimes the pan powder ignites without firing, other times it doesn't.ive got a lot to learn, but im loving learning it!!
Assuming you are using BP, and you remembered to put powder in before the ball ( it happens to all of us).

.......if pan powder ignites and the main charge doesn't, the touch hole being blocked is usually the problem. Can either be by a buildup at the entry of the touch hole, or fouling from the inside blocking it. Solution, pick the hole.

......if the pan powder doesn't ignite, it could be fouling or a foreign matter on either the flint or the frizzen. Solution wipe dry with a clean cloth. You may even try using alcohol. If either the flint is worn, or it is loose in the jaw, they too will result with sparking issues. Solution is to replace, or retighten.

Low humidity. You will notice a lot of "white" around the hole and barrel when humidity is low. Under this condition, "caking" is very common. Greasy buildup comes with high humidity. Pan fouling turns into a tar like consistency. You'll have to wipe the frizzen and flint down almost after each shot.

One point on wiping between shots. It can push fouling into the flash hole from the inside.

Adding to the frustration mix, some patch lubes will create very hard fouling in cold weather. Bore Butter is notorious for it. If using such a lube, wiping between shots is necessary because you want to make sure you can seat the next ball going down onto the powder.

In some circles, wiping between each shot is deemed sissy. As I said earlier, the NMLRA recommends it. That is due to Murphy showing up once in a while and some shooters have ended up smelling like a singed cat, and looking like Al Jolson. So for goodness sakes, if you don't wipe between shots, keep that in mind as to where the muzzle is pointed. Ol' Mr Murphy is always looking for an opportunity in this muzzle loading game. We want to keep the sport safe. Safe overrules sissy.



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you need to check out the patches and see what they look like after being fired. If they are ripped apart, have holes in them, way to thin.
Serious question. Do you typically find most of your patches after the shot ?

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you need to check out the patches and see what they look like after being fired. If they are ripped apart, have holes in them, way to thin.
Serious question. Do you typically find most of your patches after the shot ?
Yes. Most.
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