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An interesting idea

Let's kill the owls

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...e-spotted-owl/

GRANTS PASS, Ore. An experiment to see if killing invasive barred owls will help the threatened northern spotted owl reverse its decline toward extinction is underway in the forests of Northern California.




The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service said Friday that specially trained biologists have shot 26 barred owls in a study area on the Hoopa Valley Indian Reservation northeast of Arcata, Calif.

They plan to remove as many as 118 barred owls from the area, keeping the 55 known barred owl nesting sites open over the next five years to see if spotted owls increase, said Fish and Wildlife Service biologist Robin Bown. Contractors go to an area that barred owls are known to be in, play a digital caller to attract them, and shoot the birds with a shotgun.




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post #2 of 22 (permalink) Old 12-21-2013, 12:12 PM
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Hmmmmm, so what makes the barred owls "invasive"? If Barred Owls are naturally expanding their range, they may become a problem for the Spotted owls but that does not make them invasive. AND...if the Barred Owls are expanding their range naturally, no amount of killing is going to stop them.
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Killing 118 in one area, sounds like they are over populated and out of balance. If they have enough prey you would think they could survive together. Sounds like here where hawks and owls are in uncontrolled numbers and their prey have declined. Could be that too much of anything can be bad.
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Re: An interesting idea

No differant than fish and wildlife killing non native trout in streams and lakes. Dont like it but it was it is.

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A Map of their existing range taken from the Nation Geographic site.



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Ok now maybe PA can start culling a few hawks and owls to help save PA,s Allegheny woodrats. Most all of the other predators that kill them have seasons. When you totally control one large group of predators, you have an unnatural balance in predation. We always seem to put man out of the picture as a predator. Predators kill other predators to help keep them in check and help make survival more easy . Natures way, woves kill coyotes, coyotes kill fox, and so on. However man is the only one that should be able to know when to stop. Acoyote would kill the last fox on earth and not care. Man should do his part and help get predators back in balance. No predator needs to be killed to extinction just kept in balance. The total hawk and owl protection is for many, just politics. Protect the ones that are threatened and endangered and control the ones that are over abundant.
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As much as predator control of hawks & owls may seem feasable it is out of Pa. hands be it the PGC. or other agency. This would have to happen on a federal level. the reason the Barred owl is being killed is because it is affecting another predator an endangered one. I doubt it will occour because hawks and owls are killing prey species such as rabbits, grouse, pheasants etc.
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Shouldn,t matter if predator or prey if endangered or threatened then maybe its time to act. The rat I refered to is threatened. Just happened to happen the same time that hawk and owl numbers started rising, from total protection. How many other prey speicies are threatened or endangered such as song birds? You should not wait until the prey is threatened or endangered to act, major declines over time should be enough, just poor management.
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I agree. Sure would be nice if others did also!

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Killing 118 in one area, sounds like they are over populated and out of balance. If they have enough prey you would think they could survive together. Sounds like here where hawks and owls are in uncontrolled numbers and their prey have declined. Could be that too much of anything can be bad.
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